45 Win Mag, and 460 Rowland....

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Haven't found any info doing a search on the Win Mag, but am curious. Little more on the 460 Rowland. I appreciate a description of anything that someone has learned from shooting either of these as well as any info that you might have found out there.
I'm mainly interested in something that is hot enough to humanely take down a whitetail out to maybe 100yds from a 1911 gvt model. Also important that 45 ACP accuracy potential remains at closer ranges.

45 Win Mag:
1) Can 45 ACP be shot through the same barrel?
2) Has anyone made a 1911 that can handle it?
3) Is factory ammo available?

460 Rowland:
1) Is factory ammo available?
2) Has anyone besides Jimmy Rowland/Clark made these?

Jimmy Rowland says that the 1911 is built as strong as a bolt action Mauser, and will hold up to shooting the 460 as long as the bullet leaves the barrel before the slide retracts. Anybody ever try it?


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"But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip; and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." -Jesus Christ (Luke 22:36, see John 3:15-18)
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"Reasonable gun law?............There's No such critter!" --EQ
 
I don't know anything about the Rowland .460. However I have had some experience years back with the .45 Win. Mag.

I don't know anyone currently chambering a gun in that caliber and I'm unsure if Winchester still catalogs the cartridge.

Grizzly (Sp?) Arms made a 1911 knockoff for the round but the cartridge is much longer than the .45 ACP and I don't think a standard 1911 frame could be made to work.

My experience with it was in a Ruger Blackhawk that had dual .45 ACP and .45 Colt cylinders. I had the .45 ACP cylinder reamed to accept the .45 Win. Mag round. (This was not something that Ruger would have sanctioned.)

It was (is) a real loudenboomer and was reasonably accurate with factory ammo (2 inches or so in my gun at 25 yards).

I didn't do any chronograph work with it, but I expect the round is comparable to the .44 Mag. The factory ammo was 230 JRN - not a bullet highly touted for hunting, but if you handload there a number of good bullets that would turn the cartridge into a suitable hunting round.

The round does headspace on the mouth of the case (like the ACP) and I found case length to be critical for reliable ignition in the revolver. Half or full moon clips would be a desirable addition for revolver work.

The Widley's (Sp?) for which the cartridge (and it's sister round the 9mm Win. Mag.)was originally intended never quite got off the ground. There were a few that got on the market and as I recall the early ones were not terribly reliable. There was (I think) a second effort at production and those were rumored to be more reliable in their functioning. Depending on the accessories, grade, etc. they ran from about $1,000 on up. Way up as I recall.

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Jim Fox
 
Yea, Jim,

I remember the Wildey, not that I've ever shot one. Clint Eastwood used one for one of his Dirty Harry sequals. I guess it was the price that kept it from gaining popularity more than anything is my guess. I think it was a gas retarded blowback system, that hadn't been perfected.

Now that you mention it, I remember holding a Grizzley once and found that the grip length, back to front strap, was longer than the 1911 and didn't fit my hand. I'll bet your right about the 1911 not being able to load the Win Mag.

It sounds like a N framed Ruger would be the way to go with the 45 Win Mag. This wildcat always sounded to me like a versitile round out to 100yds or so.

Thanks for sharing that experience and information Jim.

robert

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"But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip; and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." -Jesus Christ (Luke 22:36, see John 3:15-18)
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"Reasonable gun law?............There's No such critter!" --EQ
 
Clint Eastwood used the 44 Automag in Sudden Impact(Dirty Harry movie), not the Wildey. Check out www.44automag.com for a look at the automags. Charles Bronson used a 475 Wildey Magnum in Death Wish 3.
 
PB,

Your right. I stand corrected. Its been so long since I saw those. If I remember right he used the 475 Wildey to clean up the neighborhood. Thanks for the link.

robert

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"But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip; and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." -Jesus Christ (Luke 22:36, see John 3:15-18)
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"Reasonable gun law?............There's No such critter!" --EQ
 
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