45 colt reload advice

woody wood

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Reloading for 45 colt,I have some Missouri bullets,softball lead .452
Round nose.can I use them for this application?kinda wanted to use them up.
For that matter could I use also some 240g fmj acp bullets?
Loding for a Taurus raging judge magnum.just looking to use what I have
And then would pick up something more tailored to 45 colt,just looking for target practice.if so any good loads with Alliant powder? Ordered lee dies with factory crimp die.
 
.45 ACP bulkets generally weigh 230 grains, not 240. They don’t have a crimp groove, so hopefully the sizing die and expander are minimum dimensios for a tight grip, and use low velocity loads or you may have some bullets back out. Your LEE factory crimp die may help.

The cast bullets should work fine. Try eight grains of Unique or ten grains of BlueDot.


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A time-honored hot load for modern Colt SAA is 250 or 255 grain cast bullet with 10 grains of Unique. Is your "raging judge magnum" a .45 Colt or a .454 Casull? (I know it's also a .410 bore)

If those Missouri bullets are soft lead, I would not hotrod them. But they are fine for standard-pressure .45 Colt loads. Use hard cast bullets for hot .45 Colt loads, and I've had good luck with Herco, Blue Dot, and 2400. (I have a Ruger Bisley-Backhawk in .45 Colt) In fact, .45 Colt is the only good use I have found for Blue Dot. Use Unique or Green Dot for normal .45 loads.
 
The best advice I can give you is as follows. First, use bullets designed for the .45 Colt, not the .45 ACP. Second, .45 Colt hand loads are designed around the gun they will be fired in. Bullet diameter can vary according to the platform as well as what is considered a maximum load for the same platform. In one of my .45 Colt S&W's I shoot .452" bullets, and in the other .455" bullets.

Don
 
Fyi my raging judge magnum is also rated for 454 casull. As with the use of lead Missouri soft ball 230g .452 thinking of loading them 1000 fps or lower.if that helps opinion
 
No problem. Using your 230g bullets, you can just load fairly light, and just remove the bell from the case (basically straighten the case, or a very 'slight' crimp) with your crimp die. I'd seat them as deep as the start of the ogive (curve of the bullet) to give them as much neck tension as possible (just like you do for .45 ACP loads) . For light load, as an example, use between 7.0g to 8.0g of Unique and your good to go. Load up ten and see how they shoot and go from there.

As with others, I prefer using the normal 250-255g RNFP bullets with a crimp groove.
 
Ill suggest another option worth comsidering depending on what you use 45acp for. When i competed in uspsa i used (and it was common at the time) 250gr fp and clays powder. If i recall my load it was 3.2gr of clays. But i would need to check my logs. You could use the 250 in both 45 colt and acp and the acp is very soft shooting.
 
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I disagree with this:
A time-honored hot load for modern Colt SAA is 250 or 255 grain cast bullet with 10 grains of Unique.
It should be noted that this particular recipe will exceed the standard operating pressure for the 45 Colt and that it may not be safe for some guns. Unique is a great powder for the 45 Colt, but about 8 to 8.5 grains should be considered maximum for bullets of that weight, unless you know darn sure your gun can safely handle more. Consult a few reputable reloading manuals before jumping in the deep water. This caliber has been hot-rodded a lot over the years and I don't doubt that many revolvers have been destroyed in the process. Unless you have a Ruger Blackhawk, or a gun known to be just as strong, I have to recommend that you avoid the "Ruger-only", loading data that is fairly common today.
 
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I disagree with this:

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A time-honored hot load for modern Colt SAA is 250 or 255 grain cast bullet with 10 grains of Unique.

I also disagree with this. While you can find this load listed in reloading manuals, it is a maximum load and there are many other powders that will give you the same velocity or more at lower pressure levels. That's what they made 2400 for.:)

Don
 
I also disagree with this. While you can find this load listed in reloading manuals, it is a maximum load and there are many other powders that will give you the same velocity or more at lower pressure levels. That's what they made 2400 for.

I've never tried that load, I have just seen it listed in reloading manuals and online with the comment that it's safe in post-war Colt SAAs but not to shoot them in pre-war guns. I wouldn't shoot it in a SAA but it ought to be a good economical "magnum-ish" load in a Ruger or a Casull.

I agree that I should have given more of a disclaimer :o
 
I have loaded Lyman 225 gr RN, .452"+ in 45 Colt brass. I used lighter loads and seated the bullet a hair deeper than the start of the ogive, and lightly taper crimped. Works OK but I haven't done any extensive testing (velocity, accuracy), just plinking so far. Two things to remember when reloading for your revolver;you'll probably need a crimp to keep the bullets in place and you need the proper sized bullet or the gun (for a revolver measure the cylider throats and size the bullets to the same diameter).

Here's a new term that means nothing to me; "softball" when discussing lead bullets. I assume it means "soft" bullets? How soft? I quit keeping track of bullet hardness discussions when "hard cast" took over to mean any cat bullet...
 
A time-honored hot load for modern Colt SAA is 250 or 255 grain cast bullet with 10 grains of Unique.

It should be noted that this particular recipe will exceed the standard operating pressure for the 45 Colt and that it may not be safe for some guns.

I've never tried that load, I have just seen it listed in reloading manuals and online with the comment that it's safe in post-war Colt SAAs but not to shoot them in pre-war guns. I wouldn't shoot it in a SAA but it ought to be a good economical "magnum-ish" load in a Ruger or a Casull.

I've been using 10.0gr Unique under a 250gr SWC as my "standard" .45 Colt load for over 30 years. it has been listed in the Lyman manual for generations. Its in my 1970s book, and were I to dig it up, pretty sure its in my 1950s book. Yes, it IS a max level load, tested in COLT SAA's. And, like any top level load, it should be worked up to, in YOUR gun, with YOUR components.

That load gives around 1000fps from the mid barrel length guns (5.5") a bit higher or lower due to individual guns factors. I wouldn't put it in a pre-WWII Colt, either. I wouldn't be concerned about working up to it, in a post-WWII Colt SAA though. Even though it is a bit over SAAMI working pressure for the .45 Colt, its not near blow up pressure levels, and do remember that the SAAMI working pressure is for ALL .45 Colt guns, including blackpowder ones. Colt made the post WWII SAA in .45 Colt and .357 Magnum, so I'm personally not concerned that SLIGHTLY exceeding SAAMI spec is a blow up risk in those guns. Besides, I don't have any Colt's, my .45 Colt's are Rugers (and T/C Contender) and they don't notice 10gr Unique as a hot load,


That load is not a "Ruger Only" load, those loads are even heavier. It IS a top end load in a Colt SAA, and I wouldn't use it in any of the top break .45 Colt's out there now. (and NEVER in anything made by Armi San Marcos!)

It does just a hair under 1100fps from my 7.5" Ruger Blackhawk, and while noticeably more than the standard factory load, its enough below full "magnum" loads that it is not uncomfortable to shoot a couple boxes in an afternoon, out of the big Ruger. From a smaller gun like a Colt, (or New Vaquero) it's a bit more brutal.

But its also not the load to use shooting LRN 230gr .45ACP bullets. I would use 7.5gr and not think of going over 8gr, there's no point and that bullet isn't well suited to heavier loadings.

Not sure what kind of accuracy you'll get out of a Raging .454 gun. You can drive the soft slugs too fast for accuracy, and bad leading could result. Keep the velocity down in the 8-900fps level and you should have good results, and recoil in the big heavy guns will seem light.


Here's a new term that means nothing to me; "softball" when discussing lead bullets.

While I can't be certain how the OP's bullet maker means it, "soft ball" is not a new term, its an old one. Military ammo is "ball" because originally, it was a round ball, and the term was just carried on when balls became bullets. "Soft ball" comes from the early days of FMJ ammo, when jacketed bullets became "hardball" and lead ones "soft ball". Hardball stuck with us, soft ball (as a term) faded into disuse and obscurity. It is, however entirely proper to call any non jacketed slug with the "ball" bullet profile "soft ball", though I wasn't aware, till now, that anyone was actually still doing it.
 
I actually have never heard of 10g under 255g bullet as a 'time honored hot load'. Quick search on the web shows it only mentioned as a rifle load... I don't recall Taffin or Pearce, Keith talking about it.... Go figure. I just went back to my Lyman books (date back to the early 80s 3rd Edition is oldest I have) and Unique 9.0 - 9.3g is max for 250g to 255g lead bullets. Depends on seating depth though, so don't know how that compares with normal 255g SWC or RNFPs. Latest manual I have, I see for 250g bullets we have 8.2 and 9.0 (depends on bullet design). For me I'll stick with 8.5g as max for 25Xg SWCs and RNFPs, and use a slower powder, say HS-6 to push it a bit harder when I need it (in this day and age, we have more powders than Unique and 2400 to pick from!). I've also 'heard'/'read' (true or not) that Unique is slightly hotter than it used to be after they made it 'cleaner burning'. Anyway, I'll keep a lookout for this as I just never heard the saying before or the load. I need to go back through some of the articles I've kept over the years of shooting... Linebaugh lists a 260g Cast 10.5g Unique load at 24.8K CUP which is significantly above SAAMI. Anyway ... time for some more research since I thought I knew a few things about .45 Colt loads! Always learning.

Now 10g Unique under 240g SWC bullet in .44 Mag. That I use and like for a nice 1100fps load.
 
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Lyman 45th Edition (1970)

.45 Colt
10.3gr Unique (max) 250gr cast (bullet # 454190) vel 1028fps
10.0gr Unique (max) 255gr cast (bullet # 454424) vel 1011fps

Test gun, Colt SAA 5.5" barrel

There is no "Ruger" section in that old manual, and I've been using it since I began reloading in the early 70s. It's stout, but I don't consider it dangerous in a modern solid frame gun in proper working condition.

Again, something to work up to, if your guns are like mine, large frame Rugers, 10gr Unique under a 250 isn't near max. ;)
 
The "discussion" about 10 grains of Unique is exactly why I strongly suggest to all new reloaders to pay very little attention (none) to any load data from any forum expert, range rat, gun counter clerk, pet loads website, or gun shop guru. Published reloading manuals are loaded with safe, efficient load data. I don't try to commit load data to memory as I'm human and make mistakes, so a published reloading manual is used every time I start a load work up with new components or a new caliber. My log (3 ring binder with every load I've assembled since '92) is consulted for loads I want to duplicate...
 
Guys, the OP has a Raging Bull, perfectly safe with Ruger-level loads. Time-honored or not, ten grains of Unique is fine in the OP’s revolver. :rolleyes:


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The maximum loads at Alliant are 9.5 grains for either 250 or 200-grain SWC's. Not sure why they are the same. The COL is a little shorter for the 200 there. The velocity for the 250, also from a 5.5" barrel, is lower than for the old Lyman loads. The newer Lyman loads are lighter. 8.3, 8.5 and 9.0 grains for three different shape 250's. The 9.0-grain number is for the same mold number the old Lyman data lists at 10.3 grains, a 454190.

I don't know whether it is because the powder has changed over time or not, or because they measure pressure more carefully now or what, but by manipulating powder properties to get a match to Lyman's pressure-measured 200 grain bullet data, I was able to determine the old load is likely in the 16,000-17,000 psi range. Nothing too high for a modern gun and not in the proof range for the old guns, either.
 
I only raised the red flag because this particular cartridge warrants extra caution concerning high-pressure data, and when such data was mentioned, I felt there needed to be a more clear warning about that. Raging Bull, Uberti, Colt, Remington, or whatever... Know your gun and the loads it can handle, or don't reload.
At one time I had a Ruger Blackhawk and a Colt Single Action, (made in 1902), both in 45 Colt. I hot-rodded the Ruger plenty, but kept the old Colt at 8.0 grains Unique under a 255 grain lead bullet, making darn sure the hot loads never got in the Colt.
Even though the OP has a gun that might handle hotter loads, these reservations are worth mentioning, and bearing with, for future edification and present safety.
Interestingly, I found that I had a lot more fun with ammo that both guns could safely handle. The really hot loads are good for what they are good for, but otherwise are way over-rated.;)
 
I've learned that loading ammo for revolvers that use bullets meant for autoloading pistols or bullets that lack a crimp groove or cannalure are a recipe for disappointing results.

Get standard .45 Colt bullets and enjoy.
 
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