45 Baby Eagle parts?

Dave AA

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Hi, just looking for replacement recoil springs for a baby eagle 45. all steel, "semi-compact" model.
Magnum research is..... shall we say.. less than helpful :)

wolff has cz & eaa springs that they say fit, but I have no idea which or what weight I need

while I'm at it, any spare parts or accessory source would be great!
 
You've got an unsuaul gun and parts are going to be a problem -- even simple parts like springs. Do you NEED springs, or are you just trying to be ready?

In either case, Magnum Research should be able to give you SOME help in the form of information about the type of springs used or, at least, the appropriate spring rates/weights required. You've just got to ask the right questions.

Most of the Magnum Research Baby Eagle guns are based on the Tanfoglio design (which is their version of the CZ design), and that's true regardless of where the specific model was made, or by whom.

The Wolff Springs site might help--look under EAA :
https://www.gunsprings.com/index.cfm?page=items&cID=1&mID=19

Semi-compact is an ill-defined term:

- if the term means short slide/long grip you should probably use the recoil springs for a Tanfoglio/EAA compact .40 (or .45 if you can find one) The typical .45 weight is 14 lbs. but a slightly lighter or heavier spring should work. (A recoil spring that's too long -- and stacks so that the slide won't open far enough -- can be clipped a coil at a time until it works-- you're venturing into unknown territory.)Mag springs for any full-size Tanfoglio mag would probably work. Extractor springs are probably the same for all Tanfoglio-based guns. Hammer springs vary in the Tanfoglio lines, with newer ones being shorter (1.5" than the older models). You should investigate what's available from Wolff Springs -- I suspect your gun will use the older, longer spring, but that's a guess.

Put simply -- get the recoil spring that seem appropriate for the slide lenght, and the hammer and mag springs that seem to fit the gripo

If you need other springs, you can try springs from other Tanfoglio guns such as a Witness -- EAA can sometimes help. In the worst-case scenairo, you may have to have a gunsmith make a spring; some gunsmiths can and will make springs -- others won't.

You can also periodically search the Numrich site http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Manufacturers/M.htm for obscure parts. If you can find out what "semi-compact" means, you might find springs for 9mm or .40 versions that will work in your gun, if .45 parts aren't available. Almost everything for a Magnum Research "compact" is sold out today, but they get parts in all the time, and you can search or be notified when some things come in stock.

You might be best served by making sure it works and trying to sell it -- and find something that's going to be easier to repair and replace. Let someone else have your potential headaches. (A lot of folks will buy a gun like this and almost never shoot it -- in which case, it's a fine gun for them: they aren't likely to need replacement parts.)
 
ohhhh yeah, I had forgotten about numrich! I'll see what they say

how could I forget, a picture is worth a thousand words. here's what it's doing:

http://i.imgur.com/sw2SVIN.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/azZqyYN.jpg

luckily, I bought 2 so I can compare them. I bet you can guess which recoil springs/s came out of the one that has a problem.

http://i.imgur.com/azZqyYN.jpg

semi-compact is how magnum research refers to them, so that's what I went with.

http://i.imgur.com/dg8Qo9F.jpg?1

MRI has been zero help, no call back, email was answered with "we have springs, give me the serial #" then no response when I sent it.
I like the pistols, not interested in selling. just range toys, although I'd both to work :) if I can't get a source for the original springs, guess I could see if Wolff EAA springs will replace the dual spring originals :confused:
 
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Looks like a compact slide -- so a compact .40 recoil spring of the appropriate weight might work. (The dual recoil springs might be an issue -- you'll have to see what Wolf Springs offers in that regard.)

What's do the two recoil springs fit? Both guns seem to be the same, but that's a BIG difference in "used" recoil spring length -- and suggests, that at least one of the springs are wrong (if both guns have the same slide size.)

If the round seemingly being misfed (in the first photo) is an issue, you might need a new magazine (feed lips might be wrong.) Springs could be a problem there, but it's unlikely.

(You may need to resize your photos -- some photo websites [like Photobucket, which can be free] let you do that pretty easily.)
 
It has the same problem with 5 mags, all original tanfoglio. 4 with black followers, 1 with a red follower.

didn't embed the pics because it slows down people scrolling who might not necessarily want to see them ;)
 
Those pictures are kind of hard to see.
Could you make them a little larger?
Seriously, why wouldn't the spring from any similar sized cz copy work?
Or just measure both for strength.
 
didn't embed the pics because it slows down people scrolling who might not necessarily want to see them

Well, the way you displayed the picture slowed down my screen and it took forever to scroll past them. Anything THAT LARGE is going to take longer to scroll through... I don't think you've speeded up ANYTHING for anybody.

Re: the gun -- the easiest solution might be to take it to a local gunsmith and see if he has any obvious solutions. It's hard to diagnose what needs to be done over the internet.... Descriptions and even still photos don't tell some of the things one needs to know to properly diagnose a problem, especially a feed problem.

The fact that there are different color follower suggests that at least one (and maybe all) are not original to the gun -- and may, in fact, be wrong. We don't know if someone has screwed with the barrel's feed ramp, either.
 
So... does one of the guns work and the other one doesn't? Having one that works right is very helpful.

Does the OTHER gun work well with the same mags? If yes....

First, swap the top ends (i.e.,slides, barrels and recoil spring assemblies. If the gun that originally failed still fails and the other gun still works -- you can assume that the failure has nothing to do with slide, barrel, or recoil spring.

But if the gun that originally failed now works... And the other one doesn't, put things back as they were.

Swap the recoil spring assemblies. If the other gun fails, the recoil spring assembly in the gun that failed is suspect and the other one (That workds) is what you want to find another one of...

But, if the gun that originally failed still fails, and the other gun works, you can assume it's not the recoil spring assembly.

Put things back as they were.

Swap the barrels. If the gun that originally failed still fails, and the other gun works, you can assume it's NOT the barrel. But if the other gun now fails, and the gun that originally failed now works, something is wrong with the barrel...

It's time to take it to the gunsmith. (Note: he might find it useful to have both guns on hand -- as he may try to do some similar testing with other parts or assemblies.

You might try the CZ Forum, which has many Tanfoglio users, [URL="http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?board=74.0"]http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?board=74.0[/URL]

and this forum:http://www.handgunforum.net/new-handguns-area/34851-magnum-research-handguns.html

Others may have better suggestions...
 
after multiple calls/messages/emails to magnum research, somebody answered! got a set of new recoil springs. pistol works better, get a failure to feed every 50-100 rounds instead of 2 or 3 a magazine
 
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