.45 acp wheelgun??

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74camaroman

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I would like to know if there is any gunmaker that makes a Wheelgun in .45 ACP that doesn't use the moon clips? I am talking about a DA with the swing out cylinder and doesn't use the moon clips. I just read in March Gun's Magazine that Charter Arms makes the Pitbul for 9mm that doesn't use the moon clips but I would like to know if there is another manufacturer that might make a .45 ACP wheelgun that doesn't use the moon clips either? I thank all of you who answer. This is a great forum to get the answers you might need. So Thanks again!!! Bob
 
Charter Arms makes a .40 S&W and 9mm Pitbull that don't require moonclips but have not heard of a .45 acp version ! Seems , I heard the S&W revolvers chambered for .45 acp will fire but will not extract without moonclips being used !
 
Most .45 ACP revolvers can be shot without moonclips, but you can't use the revolver's extractor if you do. If you are asking if there's a revolver chambered in .45 ACP with an extractor system designed to extract rimless cases, I think the answer is no.
 
Can you give the reason you don’t want moon clips.
It is by far the fastest way to reloading a revolver there is.
 
I feel the same way about not liking moon clips.
One of the reasons I like revolvers is simplicity.
Moon clips are just another accessory to have to rely on.
 
MY COLT SAA 45ACP has never needed a "moonclip" nor will it ever need one.
MY S&W M625-4 has worked perfectly without "moonclips" for going on nineteen[19] years now.
And so it goes...
 
I don't see the point. The main feature guys like about 45 ACP revolvers is using the clips as built in speed loaders. If you want to single load rounds into your revolver why do it with a 45 ACP? Get a 45 Colt or another rimmed caliber.
 
My 625JM doesn't work without moon clips, round go into the chamber too far. S&W used to chamber the 625 to work without the moon clip but I guess they're short cutting here too.
 
If you start asking for a revolver to be precisely chambered to hold the .45acp in place without moon clips, you are also asking for one that will tell you right away if your .45 cases need to be trimmed. .45acp cases vary a lot in length after fired a few times, and a long one would bind up a DA revolver quickly. Might be better to stick with slightly longer chambers, and use the clips.
 
Lots of speculation going on here.
Even though the OP expressed no preferences, or reasons for wanting to know why, we have people agreeing with him that they don't like to use moonclips, etc. :)
Virtually every .45 ACP case I've measured has been a bit short, so I'd think a chamber depth of something like .905" would probably work for clipless shooting? Most cases are in the .895" ballpark; my concern would be that the firing pin reach wouldn't work with cases .892" (about as short as I've ever seen) and cases .898" (max length), rather than a long case tying-up the gun.
 
My 45acp wheelguns are all single action. No moon clips to mess with and the casings can easily be ejected with the ejector rod. I have a birdshead vaquero and a blackhawk, they shoot anything I feed them. Lots of fun!
 
I have a Ruger Blackhawk with 2 cylinders: one for .45acp and one for .45C. No moon clips needed for either cylinder. It is one of my favorite .45s to shoot as I don't have to chase brass. My daughter likes it a lot and has already laid claim to it if I ever get rid of it, or die, whichever comes first.

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If you start asking for a revolver to be precisely chambered to hold the .45acp in place without moon clips, you are also asking for one that will tell you right away if your .45 cases need to be trimmed. .45acp cases vary a lot in length after fired a few times, and a long one would bind up a DA revolver quickly. Might be better to stick with slightly longer chambers, and use the clips.
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The Ruger Blackhawk seems to work fine headspacing on the case mouth.
 
.45acp cases vary a lot in length after fired a few times, and a long one would bind up a DA revolver quickly.
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In over 40 years of reloading .45ACP, I have never seen a case that grew over max listed length. And very, very few that ever reached max listed length. After firing the lengths do vary a bit, but unlike most other cases, .45 ACP never seems to stretch, instead they usually get shorter.

A case long enough to tie up a DA revolver would also tie up an SA revolver. A case that long, even if you somehow didn't notice it in the loading process, would make itself instantly known when you tried to load it in the gun. The DA gun would bind on closing the cylinder, and the SA gun would bind, when you tried to rotate the cylinder to load the next round.

Essentially, it just doesn't happen.
 
Obviously, you can't use moons with a SAA style revolver, but I've never understood "don't have to mess with moonclips"? It's like saying I single-load rounds into my auto pistols so I don't have to mess with a magazine. I'd prefer that all my revolvers used moons, so I wouldn't have to mess with retrieving single cases off the ground!
 
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