45 ACP Cases - again

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Bucksnort1

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A couple of weeks ago, I posted a new thread about manufacturers of 45 ACP cases who are not Remington, Winchester or Federal. I asked for information about which of these other mfgs are not good for loading. I think I got my answer when someone said they are all good, just load them. Another response asked for specific head stamps.

Here are the mfgs. Some may be USA, I'm guessing.

GFL
I*I
P-A
Blazer
AP OO
PMC
IVI
Impact
CBC
PPU
Aguila
TZZ
RA Match (probably Remington Arms Match)
Carroll
APO3
A-merc (someone said to avoid these)
* - -*
W-W
GECO
Fiochi
Thai Arms
APOI
Cor-Bon
TU Ammo
 
*-* is Starline, about the best there is, IMI runs a very close second.

It's still a good idea to sort by headstamp and load in sorted batches.
 
GFL - Giulio Fiocchi, Lecco, Italy

I*I ?

P-A - ?

Blazer - Omark Industries, CCI-Speer Lewiston ID

AP OO - Arms Corporation of the Philippines, Parang, Philippines

PMC - Poongsan Metal Manufacturing Company Ltd., Seoul, Korea

IVI - Industries Valcartier Inc., Valcartier, Quebec, Canada

Impact ?

CBC - Companhia Brasileira de Cartuchos, Brazil

PPU - Prvi Partizan, Uzice, Yugoslavia

Aguila - Industrias Tecnos S.A. de C.V, México C.P.

TZZ - Israeli Military Industries, Tel Aviv, Israel

RA Match - Remington Arms Co., Bridgeport, CT

Carroll ?

APO3 - Arms Corporation of the Philippines, Parang, Philippines

A-merc - American Ammunition Co., Miami, FL

* - -* - Starline Sedalia, Missouri

W-W -Winchester-Western (Olin), East Alton, IL

GECO- Dynamit Nobel A/G, Troisdorf, Germany

Fiochi- Giulio Fiocchi, Lecco, Italy

Thai Arms= Thai Arms, Bangkok, Thailand

APOI - Arms Corporation of the Philippines, Parang, Philippines

Cor-Bon- COR-BON, Sturgis, SD

TU Ammo- Tula Arsenal, Tula Russia
 
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Shootest, thanks for the information. I know how to find the mfg but what I'm looking for is whether any of these brands are not worth reloading.

1100 Tac - I'm following your suggestion and reloading by head stamp. I have sorted all my brass to separate Win, Rem and Fed but have yet to sort the brass in my posting. I probably won't do this because I'm trying to sell them at the Tanner Gun Show in bags of 300 each. At the show, last weekend, I sold one bag. I made it clear to the buyer about the assorted head stamps. I have enough 45 ACP brass to last me through the next revolution.
 
BTW... CBC is Mag Tech

another thing to watch for, are those darned small primed cases, which you are bound to run into a few... I just processed ( de-primed on a universal de-capper, wet tumbled with stainless pins, & sorted by head stamp ) 400 cases of 45 ACP range brass, & found 2 small primer cases in that lot... hate it when someone comes along & makes changes like that ( my understanding is small primers are for indoor range use... non toxic ??? ) I also run into the same thing ( large & small primers ) with 6.8 SPC...
 
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CBC Group owns MagTech (and CBC (Brazil), Sellier & Bellot (Czech Republic), and MEN (Germany)), but I thought MagTech caseheads were stamped MRP (Magtech Recreational Products); or did they drop that in the move from Los Vegas to Connecticut?
 
I have seen the MRP headstamp, but this is a -NEW- development in the last year or two, in my findings. The CBC headstamp has been prevalent for the last 10-15 years easy, and I have exponentially more CBC floating around my cache that MRP (of which I have very few.)

My buddy picked up 2,000rds of 9mm/115gr FMJ Magtech and the packaging is a bright blue box and the headstamp is the expected CBC. (they also have a tiny little triangle or maybe carat indent mark on the unfired primer)
 
That surprises me. Magtech Recreational Products (MRP) is the old Los Vegas name, changed to Magtech Ammunition Company with the move to Madison, CT. I don't suppose there's a new MAC headstamp?
 
I haven't run into any MAC cases in the last several batches of range brass that I've sorted... that doesn't mean the newest manufacture doesn't carry new headstamp, but the 32 auto cases I bought just in the last couple months, match the ones I purchased a year ago ( still could have been old production though )
 
Re: Amerc

Pogy Bait--"Someone" was right. You want to avoid Amerc brass like the plague. Reason: Their QC simply sucks. Variations in case wall thickness from one side of a case to the other, variations in size of primer pocket, flash holes off center to FAR off center--Just about every thing that could be wrong with a pistol case, you'll find in Amerc cases.

I collect spent brass and re-use just about everything, in .45 acp. The rule with a low-pressure pistol round like .45 acp is "Reload & shoot 'em 'till they split." (And, BTW, I've had VERY few splits over the years--2 that I can remember.)

But when I find an Amerc case, I carefully carry it right to my scrap bucket. Cannot imagine how they can do such a consistently crummy job with their brass.

One other annoying thing you may have discovered is that some manufacturers have started to make .45 acp cases with small pistol primer pockets, rather than large pistol primer pockets which have been the standard for many years. These are no problem when you are cleaning cases, or depriming, sizing, and belling them, but LOOK OUT when it comes to inserting primers!!! So that's one more darn thing to have to check for when you're sorting fired cases. (What can SAAMI have been thinking when they OK'd that???)
 
Re: Small primers and/or NT ammo...

Magnum Wheel Man--The .45 acp small primers aren't necessarily non-toxic. Non-toxic loads are stamped NT on the base, and will have a larger flash hole than is standard. I've never seen a small-primer .45 acp case marked NT.

BTW, "the word" is that the NT large-primer .45 acp cases can be reloaded just like any other large-primer .45 acp case, and the performance on the range is no different, regardless of the flash hole size. That's my experience, too, although frankly my .45 shooting includes enough "operator error" that I really can't say personally that the NT cases have any effect on accuracy. But they certainly SEEM the same, and guys in my league whose skill level is far higher than mine say that there is no difference.
 
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