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Sure Shot Mc Gee

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I considering to punch my own overshot cards to accommodate a proper roll crimp on 410 shot-shells. But I'm having somewhat of a problem finding a good metal punch around .410 dia. with a pre-sharpened cutter. I've ordered a couple of punches from weapons/parts supplier catalogs in the recent past and have had to return them. (both were lacking pre-sharpened cutting edges) I'm not very gifted in sharping rounded edges. A flat blade I can sharpen up enough to shave with. But rounded cutter hardened punches are a whole different ball game for me. Does anyone have a supplier in mind I can mail-order a proper tool from? The punches intended purpose would be for> thin plastic disks .410 diameter.
 
To sharpen a tube punch: chuck it up, spin it, and apply your stone at the appropriate angle.

As one who's loaded 10,000s of .410-bore shot shells, I gotta ask, why a roll crimp? Stuffing 410s is a big enough bother, why complicate the process? Back in the day, my neighbor was moving and gave me a large carton of once fired paper .410 hulls and a supply of wads. I loaded the 5K hulls with the traditional card and fiber wads according the the recipe of the day. Compared to plastic hulls, with one piece plastic shot cup/wads, the papers performed dismally. Twenty flats of 410's and there wasn't a 25-straight in the bunch There's a reason .410-bore competition scores soared with the introduction of the new ammo, it's a quantum leap better. IMHO, as far as using a roll crimp on a .410, if you're gonna re-invent the wheel, don't start with a square one.
 
zippy 13: Why a roll crimp? >000 buck used in a tight fitting chambered shotgun is why. The recipe I have is a load not meant for your average weekend skeet shoot but it does call for (2) over shot cards .30 ths. each to be used on either the 2-1/2 or 3" hull loads involving 000 Buck usage. As you know any recipe that calls for a folded crimp can also with a little trimming of the hull in some cases accommodate a rolled crimp also. I have material here that is .60 thick. If cut right? would require only a single card inserted into the shot area which intern would offer a much better crimp support. The material I've intended on using is not paper as sold by B/P/I to their distributors.(midway) But plastic. I've found for my particular usage rolled crimps work much better in my weapon than any {reloaded folded crimp} does. I think it is due to the fact that most modern metal Crimp Rollers offer tighter tolerances and are less forgiving than those final stage crimpers found on most shot-shell presses these days. I guess I'm old school on some things zippy 13. I've found over the years progress and change is not always as good as some profess it to be. Again thanks, for your input zippy 13.
 
see if these work, they can be bought individually:

Round Hole Drive Punches
Stock#
DP1001 – 1/8 inch - OUT OF STOCK
DP1002 – 5/32 inch - Reg $5.99 ea - Sale $2.99 ea
DP1003 – 3/16 inch - Reg $5.99 ea - Sale $2.99 ea
DP1004 – 7/32 inch - Reg $6.99 ea - Sale $2.99 ea
DP1005 – 1/4 inch - Reg $6.99 ea - Sale $3.49 ea
DP1006 – 5/16 inch - Reg $6.99 ea - Sale $3.49 ea
DP1007 – 3/8 inch - Reg $7.99 ea - Sale $3.49 ea
DP1008 - 7/16 inch - Reg $7.99 ea - Sale $3.99 ea
DP1009 – 1/2 inch - Reg $7.99 ea - Sale $3.99 ea
DP1010 – 9/16 inch - Reg $8.99 ea - Sale $3.99 ea
DP1011 – 5/8 inch - Reg $8.99 ea - Sale $4.49 ea
DP1012 – 3/4 inch - Reg $8.99 ea - Sale $4.49 ea
DP100S – Complete set - Reg $59.99 ea - Sale $39.99 ea

http://eleathersupply.com/punches.shtml
 
oneounceload. Thanks for the info. But 7/16-th. is to large in diameter and 3/8s is to small to use. The closes drill size I can measure to is >13/32th at .406-ths. In reality the actual measurement is no more than .410 ths. A 13/32 wad / leather cutter would be almost a perfect fit for my application. I'm wondering if there is a business that custom makes wad / leather cutters? I do thank you for your recent input though.
 
SSMcG, thanks for the heads-up on a different side of .410 reloading. I re-sized a cheapo Harbor Freight punch to cut over powder wads for my percussion revolvers. I have few metal working tools. I spun the thing in a drill press and used abrasives on the hardened steel. It took some while, but the results are satisfactory.
 
I do not have a Dixie Gun Works catalog, but they used to and still may offer a custom punch service. This is for old off regular sized bores for muskets and fowlers.

HTH...
 
Thanks zippy13 & Dave McC for your input. Harbor Freight is an old friend of mine. Purchased many items out of their catalog in past years including a wire feed welder that's still work'en believe it or not. Been to Track Of the Wolf this afternoon but their punches graduate in size rather quickly. Nothing in 41 caliber was seen on their site. {3/8 to 7/16ths and nothing in between.} Dixie on the other hand also is and old acquaintance as well. But I haven't had time to check out Dixie's site tonight. I believe I do have an old catalog of Dixie's to peruse while watching CNN tonight. "I'll probably find the catalog more interesting though." Thanks guys for your time, effort and those great ideas. I appreciate it.
 
Hey there Don H: >Way to go!!!< Thank you Sir, for the site. They have just what I need in.410 dia. Not to bad a price either. I'll check them out in the AM and place an order for one.-- 410 ga. 000 Buck load should preform flawlessly now, since I'll have the correct tool to punch them over shot-cards with. Again "Thank you Donald." Sure Shot Mc Gee aka tom
 
SSM, sure would love to see some pics if at all possible. How are you rolling the crimp. Had a buddy years ago that shot black powder with a rolled crimp. Wish I had went over and paid a little more attention now.
 
Olddrum1: If you want to a first hand look see at a Hull being rolled? Go to Ballistic Products of Corcoran MN. Look up a Roll Crimper of you choice. In the product add there will be a UTube demo thread to mouse click on. After seeing it done once you may want to sell all your bench presses and start reloading with only a brand new pencil and a battery powered drill w/ a roll crimper chucked-up. "Who said roll crimping is old technology?" lol
 
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