.40 1911 anyone?

One of the laws of the universe is that 1911s are to be created in .45ACP.

By owning one in 9MM you have already created a small rift in the Space/Time Continuum. Were you to compound this anomoly by placing a 1911 in .40 S&W in close proximity you could possibly turn the universe inside out, or cause time to begin flowing backwards. I urge you to turn away from this quest and purchase a .45ACP 1911 instead.

For the sake of all mankind.
 
The STI Trojan is available in .40 S&W. I have several STI guns and in comparison to my Kimbers and my frieind's Springfield, the STI is much higher quality in terms of fit and finish. My Trojan, in .45, has not had one single failure of any type from new. In my opinion, the STI Trojan is the best 1911 under $1000.

http://www.stiguns.com
 
FWIW IMO Para-Ordnance P16-40 Limited is one of the best .40 1911 around. :)

And the other upside with this pistol for you guys down "South" is that high cap mags are still available from Para.
 
"One of the laws of the universe is that 1911s are to be created in .45ACP. "

Maybe, but no one seems to buy them here, only in 9mm or .40SW. :)
 
First question, what is it going to be used for?

I have seen and shot STI's in .40, real nice. I do not know if they make the Trojan with a bushing style barrel in .40, I know they do in .45 so it can be IDPA legal.

The Para's in .40 are OK. I haven't had the opportunity to shoot one, but I am seeing LDA's showing up in SSP.

Mine is a single stack built on a Caspian slide and frame. It's a game gun and shoots game gun ammo. Plans in the future are to get a 10mm barrel fitted to this pistol. That's a nice thing about .40/10mm. Desn't take a lot to go from one to the other, if it is done right the first time.

Notice all the above are in competition. That's where a 1911 in .40 really make sence. Can shoot them as light as 9mm's or make major PF and shoot with the .45's. Brass and bullets are cheap.

Would I carry a 1911 in .40? No, that's what .45's are for.
 
I don't own one, but Kimber makes several of their models in .40 S&W. I've seen exactly one of these in a shop. Seem to be few and far between.

Shake
 
FWIW IMO Para-Ordnance P16-40 Limited is one of the best .40 1911 around.
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That's what I thought when I had my )16. After I replaced literally every part except the slide, frame, and barrel, it was a decent gun and compared to the half dozen or so others I know who have P16s, mine actually held up better than most of them.
 
I have seen and shot STI's in .40, real nice. I do not know if they make the Trojan with a bushing style barrel in .40, I know they do in .45 so it can be IDPA legal.
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The STI Trojan comes with a bushing barrel. Most of their double stack models come standard with a bull barrel but can be ordered with a bushing barrel for the same price.
 
n2299, I have to agree with you. I'm one of those guys who owns a P16.40 LTD down here in the "South", and its one of the best handguns I own. Very accurate and 100% reliable. Haven't had a failure to feed or any other problems in my first 1000 rounds or so.

Also as stated, factory hi-caps are still available. I like having 17 rounds of .40 in my 1911.:

Safe shooting.
 
I bought a Kimber Gold Match in .40. I think I put exactly one box of .40 through it before the 10mm barrel went in and it hasn't come out except for cleaning. As I recall, recoil was mild, accuracy was good, and I had no jams but then 50 rounds ain't a lot to base an opinion on.
 
I have a Kimber Pro Carry in .40SW. Mine has the aluminum frame which makes is very light and easy to carry. Of course, that makes it a bit snappy with recoil, but it's nothing I can't control. Even with my skinny little arms.
 
Here's the scoop: the .45ACP has a lot of "macho momentum" going for it. People still incorrectly believe that .45 defense loads are much more powerful than .40 defense loads, when they are actually nearly the same (re published data on one-shot stop tests).

Of course: the .45ACP cartridge has a lot of advantages.... the ammo is heavier, it costs more, the .45 mags hold 25% fewer rounds.... oh wait, never mind.

FYI- Call Springfield or Kimber and ask them why they only offer about 10% of their models in .40. They will say it is because they sell more .45's.... then ask them, isn't the reason they sell more .45's because almost all of their guns only come in .45? Then they will ask you if you know me...deny it.

The .40 is actually the optimized cartridge which will eventually (God willing) replace the .45 in most people's hearts. We just have to wait until a lot of the old foggies die off and some open minds replace them.

FYI- I own an STI Trojan in 9mm and it is superb. You can get one in .40 as well. It also comes in a 6" barrel version of which I dream... it's no longer legal in California. STI will get you one promptly, unlike Kimber or Springfield. They only build the few .40's they offer twice a year... which means you can be up to 6 months away from getting one when you order.

I also happen to own a Para-Ord P1640 and they are outstanding as well. Para is the only gun maker so far who sees the handwriting on the wall about the .40SW taking over.

Don't go over to the dark side... the .40 is the way to go. If you need a place to get cheap (pretty good) reload ammo go to Home Ammo Direct and get 180-grain FMJ .40SW for about $122/case. I shoot it and it's good stuff. You can get new .40SW (sellier + bellott) from Claflin Cartridge for $160/case. I've also shot that and it's good.
 
Of course: the .45ACP cartridge has a lot of advantages.... the ammo is heavier, it costs more, the .45 mags hold 25% fewer rounds.... oh wait, never mind.
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hmm, my Kimber in .40 the mag held 8 rounds (in 10mm mags it holds 9), my Kimbers hold 8 rounds, my math may be rusty but that ain't no 25%.

I get .45 ammo cheaper than .40 in local shops.

In a traditional 1911 design, there is no advantage of .40 over .45. If you wanna go doublestack, which many including me find uncomforatble, there will be some advantage in capacity. But the Thread Starter asked about .40 Kimbers and they are all single stack and rightly so.

My personality and profession disdains ineffeciency. I hate wasted space. I have nothing against .40 and own a couple pistols in this caliber myself. If you want a .40, buy a pistol meant for .40 length cartridges so the grip doesn't have to be overly fat. In a single stack .40 1911 mag there is mucho wasted space that would better be filled with 10mm.
 
Mr Andabeer: How different must be my hand. The only thing I don't like about the single-stack 1911 is the narrow grip that always leaves a gap between the palm of my hand and the gun (I've got palm-swell grips). When I first gripped a Para double stack, the fit was perfect: just snug around the grip and trigger finger perfectly set on the trigger.

On the math, I was thinking of the Para DS guns which hold 16+1 in .40 and 12+1 in .45. If you are getting reamed locally for .40 ammo, please feel free to shop online at Home Ammo or Claflin cartridge:

http://www.ammodeal.com/

http://www.ammodirect.com/

It's not only cheaper, it's more convenient: it just shows up on your door step and you drag it in the house.
 
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