3rd Glock purchase, 21 Gen 2 levied against 19 Gen 2

SEKLEM

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Just bought a Glock 21 Gen 2 and the slide action is hugely different from my Glock 19 Gen 2. Comparatively the 19 feels stiff and rough to rack the slide. I keep it clean and oiled properly, so I'm wondering what gives? I will say it has seen more ammo go down the pipe than the 21 has. The 21 does not appear to have been fired much at all.

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Just bought a Glock 21 Gen 2 and the slide action is hugely different from my Glock 19 Gen 2. Comparatively the 19 feels stiff and rough to rack the slide. I keep it clean and oiled properly, so I'm wondering what gives? I will say it has seen more ammo go down the pipe than the 21 has. The 21 does not appear to have been fired much at all.

People tend to over oil their pistols. You would be surprised to rack the slide of each one dry (on a Glock it makes for a very little difference). I'd focus on the recoil spring.

I'm going to bet that the Glock 21 either has a weak or incorrect recoil spring or the Glock 19 has an extra-power recoil spring. Is each pistol used (you aren't the prior owner)?

Not a Glock expert, so maybe someone else can chime in.
 
The 21 appears to have a factory spring. I'm not sure on the 19 to be honest. It's not captive like the 21, and as I understand the 21 came with a captive single spring and the 19 came with a single spring (non captive).

I should say the 19 fires fine, I've occasional problems with certain brands of FMJ (GRECO 115GR). I have yet to fire the 21 as I just got it 2 days ago.
 
The 21 appears to have a factory spring. I'm not sure on the 19 to be honest. It's not captive like the 21, and as I understand the 21 came with a captive single spring and the 19 came with a single spring (non captive).

The second generation Glock 19s switched to a captive recoil spring in 1991 (I believe). You probably can get Glock to send a recoil spring for free if you give them a call.

If you are not already aware, you should know about the "upgrades" Glock issued over the years for the 19. If you do a search for these you'll find more information on them.

1990 Upgrade

Glock Model 19, 9mm Luger caliber, requires an upgrade for the following serial numbers:

AN, BP, BR, BV, BW, BX, DL, DM, DN, DP, DR, DS, DT, DV, DW, DX, DY, DZ
These pistols may have the potential of the action to malfunction as follows:
1. The slide locking back on a full magazine.
2. Failure to lock into battery because the barrel lug drags on the slide lock.
3. The magazine follower tips or sticks in the magazine tube.

1992, 6 part Upgrade

GLOCK, INC. Technical Bulletin #920403

April 1, 1992

Glock, Inc. announces a production change of the firing pin safety system. This new firing pin safety system has been installed in all production Glock pistols since November, 1991. A voluntary upgrade is being offered to maintain the Glock tradition of ensuring that all of our pistoils are up to the latest standards in 21st century Goock technology.

Most importantly, the components of the new firing pin safety system are not interchangable with the components of the old systam and Glock will always strive towards maintaining this feature of interchangability while working to ensure future interchangability.

The upgraded firing pin safety system consists of: the firing pin, firing pin safety, the extractor, the spring loaded bearing and the trigger bar. The upgraded system is applicable only to Glock pistols with the following serial number ranges :

Glock 17 - alpha prefix AA - WF
Glock 21 - alpha prefixes through XL
Glock 19 - alpha prefixes through WJ Glock 22 - alpha prefixes through YA
Glock 20 - alpha prefixes thorugh WW Glock 23 - alpha prefixes through SK

The upgraded firing pin safety has a new surface finish making it nearly 100% saltwater corrosion resistant. Also, after rigorous and extensive testing, the new system proves to be more durable and has a longer useful life. Here, as alwyas, Glock is working toward maintianing its standard of perfection.

1993, G19 Upgrade

Glock Model 19, 9mm Luger caliber, requires an upgrade for all pistols.

These pistols have the potential for an UNINTENTIONAL DISCHARGE of a cartridge with the action open.

The Glock model 19 pistol slide has a bottom protrusion, whose function is to push cartridges from the top of the magazine into the chamber. When the pistol is jammed in a double feed situation, the slide protrusion can come in contact with the primer of the jammed cartridge and cause UNINTENTIONAL DISCHARGE while the action is open.
 
Prefix on my 19 is MF, so I guess it would fall under the firing pin upgrade. Not sure if that was done or not.
 
Prefix on my 19 is MF, so I guess it would fall under the firing pin upgrade. Not sure if that was done or not.

Good information on the subject is below. You should be able to contact Glock and/or an certified armorer to verify.

The necessary of this upgrade is questionable. That is why is called an "upgrade" and not a recall.

I've used Glocks without the upgrade, circa early 1980s (Gen 1) without a problem.

http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/upgrade-faq.html

http://reducerecoil.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Glock_upgrade_photo.jpg
 
Thank you Makarov (was guessing at the suffix of your screen name and then realized it was Walther, I'm leaving it because it made me chuckle).

Maybe I should take the 19 to someone who knows a bit more about it and see what they suggest (maybe change the recoil spring).
 
Maybe I should take the 19 to someone who knows a bit more about it and see what they suggest (maybe change the recoil spring).

If you can find a Glock certified armorer or gunsmith around you, having them take a look at it can't hurt. Go ahead and bring up the "upgrades" and see if they show you if it has them or not. Ask about the recoil spring. Don't feel pressured to do anything they say right there. Do some research if they suggest something.

I have a thing with used guns I like to tell others. If it isn't a LE trade-in Glock or 1911, have someone check it over. 1911s and Glocks have so many aftermarket components available and DIY instructions available on the Internet, that it is very likely that someone has replaced components or has had the backyard gunsmith have a run at it.

It doesn't hurt to have some experienced eyes take a look at it.
 
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