38 Special Carry Ammo and Grips Question

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Hi all. Will be getting a Ruger SP101 38special 2" snubbie revolver soon.

For those of you who carry snubbies in 38sp, what do you use for a good carry round? Saw a few that looked good: Fed 125g Nyclad HP & Speer 125g Gold Dot HP.

Both of these rounds come in +P. How hot is the +P compared to the standard in these guns?

What can you suggest for a smaller and more comfortable grip than the standard Ruger grip on these guns?


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Frank
 
Hi, Frank---
Since the SP101 is such a sturdy little revolver (read "heavy,") there is little reason to avoid +P.

My personal favorite carry load for ANY .38 Spl, not just snubs, is the 158 gr LSWCHP. I've used Winchester and Remington. I hear Federal makes it, too, but I've never seen any. I started with this back in the 70s when it was called the "Dallas PD load" in my part of the country. You'll also see it called "the Chicago load, "the FBI load," and "Winchester MS." NYPD used to issuse the same round, LSWC without the HP, and they were really pretty satisfied with it before going to the auto pistols.

This is just the old .38 High Speed or .38/44 load, originally rated at 1060 fps, when standard 158 gr LRN velocity was set at 855. You never REALLY got these velocities except in long, unvented, test barrels, but it served for comparison. Anyway, the dead soft lead bullet with generous hollow point and no jacket at all allowed for expansion, or at least deformation, even from even two-inch revolvers. Excellent penetration, too. It leads up the barrel up pretty quickly, but so what? You don't shoot lengthy tournaments with this type pistol or ammo, huh? You may have to ask your dealer to order this ammo for you. It's not widely stocked hereabouts.

Winchester cut back on the velocity for a time, and Remington became the favorite brand. Then Win raised it again. I haven't chonographed any of them in the past couple of years. I currently have fresh Win in two snubs and a four-inch, but only because my Remington was getting old.

BTW-- good practice load for this ctg is a hard cast 160 with 5.0 of Unique. Cleaner and MUCH cheaper than the factory suff, so you can practice a lot. Placement remains primary, even with the best ammo.

Sorry, no suggestion for smaller and more comfortable grip for the little Ruger DA.

Best,
RR

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Hello. Rocky Road's given sage advice in my view considering the weight and strength of the SP101. I'm sure I'd be carrying the Remington or WW LSWCHP in any 4" .38 Spec as well. I do carry the Nyclad 125 gr HP in my airweight J-frame as the gun hits point of aim with it and it is slightly easier to control. Chronograph results were surprising on two different days with the standard pressure stuff: 886 vs 888 ft/sec with the Nyclad standard pressure. Testing was done with the same 2" J-frame. The +P version of the Nyclad is supposed to be a bit hotter in terms of velocity, but the bullet has antimony added to retard overexpansion while the standard pressure bullet's plain, soft lead. For that reason, I see little point in going to the +P Nyclad. Were I going to go with +P, it'd be with the "Chicago load." My primary carry J is NOT +P rated so I go with the Nyclad for that reason as well. Like Rocky Road, I've damaged alloy S&W J-frames in the past with overly stout loads, both factory and handloads. Your SP101 will handle any .38 Special you care to name and with its recoil-dampening weight, why not go with a more potent load?
 
I second that, on the 158+P Winchester LSWC-HP. Sometimes the old ways are best :).

The Federal 110 JHP "Personal Defense" was supposed to have been "tuned for snubbie performance" but some independant test results show that to be horsepuckey (see also http://www.firearmstactical.com ).

A case can be made that running frangibles in the first two "at bat" can be a good thing. If so, the very best seems to be the Magsafe Defender "snubbie special" load, rated at over 1,500fps from a snub. If you're dealing with cold weather and the need to defeat heavy layers of clothing, think again with this load but under more normal circumstances, it'll definately get their attention with fewer "stray round problems" for bystanders.

After two rounds, bystanders should be ducking (one would hope) and you can start flingin' "the good stuff" :).

Jim
 
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