.38 ammo velocity out of 2in snubby
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Stephen A. Camp
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Hello. Here are a few loads chronographed from an S&W Model 642. The average velocities are based on ten shots fired 10' from the chronograph screens:
Fired from 2" S&W Model 642:
Remington 158 gr +P LSWCHP: 800 ft/sec
Federal 125 gr Nyclad HP (Std. Pressure): 836 ft/sec
Corbon 115 gr +P+ JHP: 1188 ft/sec
PMC 125 gr. +P "Starfire" JHP: 859 ft/sec
Sellier & Bellot 148-gr WC: 541 ft/sec
Best.
Fired from 2" S&W Model 642:
Remington 158 gr +P LSWCHP: 800 ft/sec
Federal 125 gr Nyclad HP (Std. Pressure): 836 ft/sec
Corbon 115 gr +P+ JHP: 1188 ft/sec
PMC 125 gr. +P "Starfire" JHP: 859 ft/sec
Sellier & Bellot 148-gr WC: 541 ft/sec
Best.
Stephen A. Camp
Staff In Memoriam
Hello. You are most welcome. Nyclad is no longer for sale from Federal to the general public. Some can still be found, but I fear its days are numbered.
Best.
Best.
snubby loads velocities
Have M60, using Hornady 140gr XTp, .38Spl loads.
Pact 1 chronograph shows about 825 fps, mild recoil and give goods results on bowling pins when I do my part.
Suggesst you try Pachmyer gripper grips are narrow width and alittle longer front to back, allows me a better grip and more naatural aim than the compac grips i had on.
Have M60, using Hornady 140gr XTp, .38Spl loads.
Pact 1 chronograph shows about 825 fps, mild recoil and give goods results on bowling pins when I do my part.
Suggesst you try Pachmyer gripper grips are narrow width and alittle longer front to back, allows me a better grip and more naatural aim than the compac grips i had on.
pseudo-fed
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Here's a link to the Speer web site, where they have ballistics on their "short barrel" line:
http://www.speer-bullets.com/default.asp?s1=7&s2=26
http://www.speer-bullets.com/default.asp?s1=7&s2=26
wrcraw1965
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Old-Timer Recipe for 38 2" Snubbie!
Folks,
I'm new to this site, but I wanted to let the 38 spl folks with 2" snubs know something that I was told by an Old-timer PA state constible who also does double duty as an EMT! What a combination, huh? He sees what goes on in the real world, this is for sure. Anyhow, I told him that I recently purchased a Taurus M85 Ultra-Light for my girlfriend to keep for self defence. She lives in a big ole house three floors in the country with her 8-year old. She has been finding beer cans and ciggarett packages around her isolated house lately. Anyhow, I had already made the purchase and found that the 2" snub may not be as effective as I had hoped. After talking to this old-timer he has instructed me on his experienced device a recipe for SD in a snubby. He strongly advises a hollowbase lead wadcutter handloaded BACKWARDS! Yes, that's right backwards! Big open end - out! He said this will definately mess up a perps day without doubt. Low recoil, muzzle flash, but big, violent expansion through clothing. Of course, I mentioned that maybe I'd been better off getting her a 20GA shotgun of some sort, and he did agree with that being superior for this application, but the reversed hollowbase WC was his advice for a .38 special 2".
I just found this very interesting, and had never even thought of such a thing!
Folks,
I'm new to this site, but I wanted to let the 38 spl folks with 2" snubs know something that I was told by an Old-timer PA state constible who also does double duty as an EMT! What a combination, huh? He sees what goes on in the real world, this is for sure. Anyhow, I told him that I recently purchased a Taurus M85 Ultra-Light for my girlfriend to keep for self defence. She lives in a big ole house three floors in the country with her 8-year old. She has been finding beer cans and ciggarett packages around her isolated house lately. Anyhow, I had already made the purchase and found that the 2" snub may not be as effective as I had hoped. After talking to this old-timer he has instructed me on his experienced device a recipe for SD in a snubby. He strongly advises a hollowbase lead wadcutter handloaded BACKWARDS! Yes, that's right backwards! Big open end - out! He said this will definately mess up a perps day without doubt. Low recoil, muzzle flash, but big, violent expansion through clothing. Of course, I mentioned that maybe I'd been better off getting her a 20GA shotgun of some sort, and he did agree with that being superior for this application, but the reversed hollowbase WC was his advice for a .38 special 2".
I just found this very interesting, and had never even thought of such a thing!
I too have seen the "inside-out wadcutter" recommendation on light defense loads. Perhaps it's just the PRK, but the thought of using any ammunition other than factory loads is just a lawsuit waiting to happen. I have heard, on several occassions, that the use of a handload for self defense can also be construed as pre-meditated murder. You had to THINK about what you were loading BEFORE the perp broke...
Anyways I am sure that such a thing is irrelevant in such states as Texas, Arizona, and Montana. Out here, it's factory defense loads only just to cover my own behind.
Anyways I am sure that such a thing is irrelevant in such states as Texas, Arizona, and Montana. Out here, it's factory defense loads only just to cover my own behind.
wrcraw1965
Inactive
"Homegrown"
Robert,
Yea, it doesn't surprise me that the legal types would twist things around to say one had pre-meditated...
Funny thing is that just having a defense weapon in the first place is a form of pre-meditating!
Secondly, how can one pre-meditate over an uninvited assailant? I guess the "legal" way to "pre-meditate in this case would be to bare down on a perp with a double barrel - both barrels fired at once! Thereby insuring no followup legal actions, or revenge by the perp due to his most "certain demise into the hereafter" ..........as long as I use factory ammo!
Maybe, I'll meditate on that!
Sarcastically, Yea, I mean using an AR15 with a 30 round magazine for home defense over having used a handloaded wadcutter in a little 5-shot .38 turned backwards is a fine example of a "non-premeditated" or "non-planned" killing.. OK.., right...,sure!
1. Kinda like, I'm allowed to have a knife as long as it isn't sharp, right?
OR
2. Cops can bear arms and load them with ("pre-meditated") special, killer AMMO that kills people more efficiently, but the public is barred from buying it.
1. + 2. = "I can use a knife, and the cops can use a knife", but they are allowed to sharpen theirs by having access to the best cop ammo, which is off limits to the public.
Matter of fact, how is it not pre-meditated on their part by contracting ammo companys to test, engineer, and design special "killer" ammo exclusively for their use, while making it illegal for the general public? Bottom line is that it's always ok for the government to do whatever they want, or to pre-meditate as long as you the little person (the citizen) doesn't! Correct?
When the U.S. Constitution was written, everyone had basically the same level of arms, and the forefathers were comfortable with that, or they could have written the constitution to read more like..... the government has the right to bare arms of superior firepower, while the "citizens and/or well armed militia if for no other reason than to defend themselves against their own corrupted government, shall have the right to bare really shiney, and prickely pitchforks only, or to throw rotten tomatos"!
Unfortunately, the legal types in my opinion are the ones soley responsible for the errosion of our American rights, and freedoms given to us under the Constitution. In all their years of "education" and "great wisdom", they seem to lack any common sense.
Many surely don't respect, or grasp the meaning of equal rights.
Bill
P.S. Thank God for Texas, Arizona, Montana, and any of the other "cowboy" states that still uphold the rights of the citizen to choose, "sharpen", or perfect his or her weapon of choice for self protection. It's getting to be in this country that if you are independent not relying on everything from some manufacturer, and living soley dependent on the system, that somehow you're an outcast, a wierdo, or a criminal outside the mainstream! I believe there was once a document entitled The Declaration of INDEPENDENCE!
Robert,
Yea, it doesn't surprise me that the legal types would twist things around to say one had pre-meditated...
Funny thing is that just having a defense weapon in the first place is a form of pre-meditating!
Secondly, how can one pre-meditate over an uninvited assailant? I guess the "legal" way to "pre-meditate in this case would be to bare down on a perp with a double barrel - both barrels fired at once! Thereby insuring no followup legal actions, or revenge by the perp due to his most "certain demise into the hereafter" ..........as long as I use factory ammo!
Maybe, I'll meditate on that!
Sarcastically, Yea, I mean using an AR15 with a 30 round magazine for home defense over having used a handloaded wadcutter in a little 5-shot .38 turned backwards is a fine example of a "non-premeditated" or "non-planned" killing.. OK.., right...,sure!
1. Kinda like, I'm allowed to have a knife as long as it isn't sharp, right?
OR
2. Cops can bear arms and load them with ("pre-meditated") special, killer AMMO that kills people more efficiently, but the public is barred from buying it.
1. + 2. = "I can use a knife, and the cops can use a knife", but they are allowed to sharpen theirs by having access to the best cop ammo, which is off limits to the public.
Matter of fact, how is it not pre-meditated on their part by contracting ammo companys to test, engineer, and design special "killer" ammo exclusively for their use, while making it illegal for the general public? Bottom line is that it's always ok for the government to do whatever they want, or to pre-meditate as long as you the little person (the citizen) doesn't! Correct?
When the U.S. Constitution was written, everyone had basically the same level of arms, and the forefathers were comfortable with that, or they could have written the constitution to read more like..... the government has the right to bare arms of superior firepower, while the "citizens and/or well armed militia if for no other reason than to defend themselves against their own corrupted government, shall have the right to bare really shiney, and prickely pitchforks only, or to throw rotten tomatos"!
Unfortunately, the legal types in my opinion are the ones soley responsible for the errosion of our American rights, and freedoms given to us under the Constitution. In all their years of "education" and "great wisdom", they seem to lack any common sense.
Many surely don't respect, or grasp the meaning of equal rights.
Bill
P.S. Thank God for Texas, Arizona, Montana, and any of the other "cowboy" states that still uphold the rights of the citizen to choose, "sharpen", or perfect his or her weapon of choice for self protection. It's getting to be in this country that if you are independent not relying on everything from some manufacturer, and living soley dependent on the system, that somehow you're an outcast, a wierdo, or a criminal outside the mainstream! I believe there was once a document entitled The Declaration of INDEPENDENCE!
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fallacies abound; where's the science?
Fact: you can't tell without testing how fast your gun shoots (see, differents guns will shoot the exact same ammo at differing velocities due to manufacturing tolerances, sometimes in excess of 150fps. Not 'guessing'; tested).
That said, high-powered snubby ammo can make it virtually impossible for "carry only -- no practice" weenies to actually HIT anything.
Highly recommend a medium-weight (130--150g) moderate-power load from most snubs (NOT moot; wife carries S&W M38).
(Go ahead, ask what ammo........)
Fact: you can't tell without testing how fast your gun shoots (see, differents guns will shoot the exact same ammo at differing velocities due to manufacturing tolerances, sometimes in excess of 150fps. Not 'guessing'; tested).
That said, high-powered snubby ammo can make it virtually impossible for "carry only -- no practice" weenies to actually HIT anything.
Highly recommend a medium-weight (130--150g) moderate-power load from most snubs (NOT moot; wife carries S&W M38).
(Go ahead, ask what ammo........)
bad choice...
NO, definetly practise, I do the bowling pin matches at my club.
Nice when you have a solid hit as the pin go straight line away and off the table.
I reload with speed loaders and keep my eyes on the table.
I believe that the Horandy 140 XTP are the best (MHO) for a 2", Federal has issued a 135 gr round speciafically for snub-noses.
When I did first round of NRA defesive training in 98, the instructor had us to reflex/instrictive shooting from the hip @ 7yds.
It was nice to see the impact start above the "belt" of the target and rise in an evenly space manner and narroe column.
NO, definetly practise, I do the bowling pin matches at my club.
Nice when you have a solid hit as the pin go straight line away and off the table.
I reload with speed loaders and keep my eyes on the table.
I believe that the Horandy 140 XTP are the best (MHO) for a 2", Federal has issued a 135 gr round speciafically for snub-noses.
When I did first round of NRA defesive training in 98, the instructor had us to reflex/instrictive shooting from the hip @ 7yds.
It was nice to see the impact start above the "belt" of the target and rise in an evenly space manner and narroe column.
