358Win VS 375Win?

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Huntergirl

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I have always been intrigued by the 358Win caliber. but I have a Marlin 375Win, and have been satified with its performance on deer, using standard factory ammo. What would be the advantage of a BLR in 358, using factory fodder, over the 375Win? Does anyone use a 358Win for elk? That I could see as one advantage maybe. Tell me more.
 
Quick data dump:
375 Win 220 gr FP launches at about 2,000 fps.
358 Win with 220 gr SP launches at about 2,500 fps.

Sectional density on the 35-caliber bullet is higher.
BC on the 35-caliber bullet is higher.
Muzzle velocity and muzzle energy on the 35-caliber are higher.
Trajectory on the 35-caliber bullet launched 25% faster is considerably flatter.

375 Win is a 150-200 yds cartridge.
358 Win is easily a 350 yds cartridge, but since you asked about elk I would venture a guess at 250-ish yds.

375 Win is a rimmed straight-walled cartridge chambered in older design lever action rifles.
358 Win is a rimless bottlenecked cartridge chambered in more modern lever actions, bolt actions, and single shot rifles.

After running through all this performance data, I wonder why this question was asked. :confused:
 
i have a win in 375 had a 99 sav too. but wasnt smart enough to keep it. lol. the 358 and 35 whelen recoil too much for me. even if information is availible in charts i still like to yak about it.....fwiw, bobn
 
Huntergirl,

Both cartridges are great ones in their own right. The .375 Win was a modernized .38-55. Comparing it to the .358 Win is more of Apples to Orange’s comparison.

I've got a Savage 99 in .358 Win and it is great to shoot. It doesn't recoil as hard as my .30-06. I haven't taken any Elk with it but would love to someday. My biggest problem is that the two old scopes that have been on it have both failed me. They were a Weaver K4 and 2-7 power Microtrac, the K4 wouldn't hold zero, and the Microtrac power adjustment is locked on 7X.

The other problem I have in the Savage 99 is magazine length. I can't use some Spitzer bullets in the 225 grain range and nothing heavier. I'd really like to try some Nosler Accubonds, but they just will not fit without taking away too much powder room. I don't know how the BLR compares on magazine length but you may not run into that problem.

For elk hunting I'd rather have the .358 Win it is a superior cartridge that will give you more range. As far as cost they really are hand loader specials. You never will find much of either in the local store, and rarely at stores like Cabela's or Bass Pro. They just never were popular.
 
Huntergirl; the one advantage that the 375 has over the 358 is that you can stuff it with cast boolits at a reduced cost for practice. The 250 grainer with a gascheck cast from linotype will shoot darn near through any soft skinned game cheaply. the velocity of the 375 is just about perfect for hardcast. The 358 is a great little cartridge in it's own right; kinda like a 35 Remington on steroids. You could shoot hardcast in it also, but the velocity would be a bit high even for lino.
 
I better try to sell my Marlin 375
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Do YOU like your .375 Winchester?

have been satified with its performance on deer,
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It appears that you do, or at least did. If you like the gun and the way it shoots, there is no need to sell the rifle based on others opinions. Unless you need the money to finance the next purchase, keep the .375 and buy a .358.......can't have too many, and some rifles are better suited to different situations than others, or may be just be fun to shoot.

I haven't used my .358 Winchester on elk yet, but it does just fine on speed goats (just as good as my .270, .30-06, .30-30, and 7.62x54R Nagant). A 250 grain soft point will stop a speed goat dead in its tracks :)
 
I do not know anything about what rifles are available,but another contender might be the .338 Federal.
Huntergirl,I have read your comments over time.I suspect it just does not matter too much what cartridge you are shooting.You will have meat with your potatoes.
If you are getting close enough,dead is dead.The .358 will give you more range.
The .375 is a fine hunting cartridge,the 358 is a fine hunting cartridge.
I will also suggest that a .308 kills elk just fine
 
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Honey, aint that the truth! I'm giving it 24 hours, to temper the "wants".
I got more rifles than I need. So it just might be a case of Spring Fever, that I'll recover from in time.

Thanks for that moment of clarity.
 
One caveat on the .358 is that there is only one factory load available for it , the 200 Gr. Win. Silvertip ! That is probably the case with the .375 also ! The .358 Win. doesn't shine with that load ! Spitzer bullets bring out the performance of the .358 , and for these you must handload . I don't know if an Elk is tougher than a moose or not , but a 220Gr. Speer at 2400 FPS is instant death on Moose . My rifle of choice is the Rem. 760 pump , faster than a Lever and more accurate than a Semi Auto and in the right hands Just as fast !
WARNING : Once you go .35 Cal. you'll probably get rid of all your other " Deer Rifles" anyway .
 
One caveat on the .358 is that there is only one factory load available for it , the 200 Gr. Win. Silvertip !
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Double Tap makes 3 differnt loads for the .358 Win. Spitzer bullets ranging from 200-250 grains using a soft point, Accubond, and Barnes TSX bullets. It is two spendy for my blood, and I'll just roll my own.
 
The other problem I have in the Savage 99 is magazine length. I can't use some Spitzer bullets in the 225 grain range and nothing heavier.
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taylorce1, I also have a Savage Model 99 chambered in .358 Winchester. Have you tried using Trophy Bonded Bear Claw 225 grain spitzers in your Model 99?
 
No I haven't tried the TBBC in my .358. I just load mainly Sierra's and Partitions in it at the moment. Did run some 180 grain Speer FP through it for a plinking load. Thinking of picking up the Lyman 204 grain Mould for casting bullets for it. My 99 doesn't go out much except to the range. I'm thinking of trying to plug a deer or elk with it but I hunt some pretty rough country and I'd hate to ding this rifle up as it is about 95% on the original finish.
 
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