I know recoil is subjective,but I've heard the 357sig compared to a +p/+p+ 9mm all the way up to a full power 10mm.My only exp. w/ the 357 is 50rds. through a p229.It seemed to me to have recoil similar to a 155gr. 40.I just don't see how there can be this broad of a comparison spectrum,obviosly 9mm to a full power 10 is a huge diff.Also,on the subject of blast/noise is the 357sig any worse than the 10mm,357mag,or a 40 loaded w/135gr. triton or corbon?It didn't seem so to me.But,as I said 50rds. is all I shot.I would like to here from people w/ a good amount of exp. w/ this caliber.Thanks in advance...long shot!
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357sig recoil & blast/noise compared to?
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Recoil seems slightly lighter than a full power 155 grain .40 but I think that's due to the fact that there is almost no torque with this round (the weapon doesn't want to shift in the hand) and the recoil impulse is so fast, it's over with by the time you feel it.
Muzzleblast? More than a hot 9mm, about the same as a hot .40, and less than a full load 10mm. It's got a really sharp crack to it unlike anything I've ever heard except a rifle round.
Muzzleblast? More than a hot 9mm, about the same as a hot .40, and less than a full load 10mm. It's got a really sharp crack to it unlike anything I've ever heard except a rifle round.
Mike Davies
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My brother is seriously considering buying a SIG P226 chambered for the .357sig round..
Is this the 'best' round for this pistol? If not, is there a 'better' round? This pistol will only be used for recreational target shooting, but he wants something with a bit more 'oomph' than the 9mm Para round.
[This message has been edited by Mike Davies (edited May 14, 2000).]
Is this the 'best' round for this pistol? If not, is there a 'better' round? This pistol will only be used for recreational target shooting, but he wants something with a bit more 'oomph' than the 9mm Para round.
[This message has been edited by Mike Davies (edited May 14, 2000).]
GoldDot "reclassified" seems to be really popular, 50-round boxes of JHP at a reasonable price with that proven bonded-jacket projectile.
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"..but never ever Fear. Fear is for the enemy. Fear and Bullets."
10mm: It's not the size of the Dawg in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog!
Mike,
If I understand you correctly you are asking what the best round for the P226 is and not what is the best .357 Sig round. All I can say is that Sig Sauer stated offcially a couple of years back that their best gun ever was the P226 in 9mm, but admittedly things have moved on since then. As far as .357 sig cartridges are concerned, Speer's Gold Dot has been the class leader since it was introduced but has now been edged out by the superb Winchester Ranger T Series. To see one of these rounds recovered from gelatin is to be amazed, following the reverse taper technology of the original Black Talon, this round looks like a throwing star when expanded, the design also minimises the risk of jacket separation, even after barrier penetration. Although this round is another LEO only (also selected by the Secret Service I believe), that seems to present most people with few problems obtaining supplies. For ultimate barrier penetration performance followed by reliable expansion, the soon to arrive Winchester Ranger Partition Gold should have it all.
Mike H
If I understand you correctly you are asking what the best round for the P226 is and not what is the best .357 Sig round. All I can say is that Sig Sauer stated offcially a couple of years back that their best gun ever was the P226 in 9mm, but admittedly things have moved on since then. As far as .357 sig cartridges are concerned, Speer's Gold Dot has been the class leader since it was introduced but has now been edged out by the superb Winchester Ranger T Series. To see one of these rounds recovered from gelatin is to be amazed, following the reverse taper technology of the original Black Talon, this round looks like a throwing star when expanded, the design also minimises the risk of jacket separation, even after barrier penetration. Although this round is another LEO only (also selected by the Secret Service I believe), that seems to present most people with few problems obtaining supplies. For ultimate barrier penetration performance followed by reliable expansion, the soon to arrive Winchester Ranger Partition Gold should have it all.
Mike H
BrokenArrow
New member
From my 229 the 155/165 Gold Dot kicked a tad more than the 357 Gold Dot, which kicked more than the 155 Fed Classic or HS. The 357 was waaaay louder than any 40, period. Will not use it as a house gun.
The 357 is more accurate, but not always. My USP 40 compacts shoot better than my G23/32.
Target shooting in the 226? 9 or 357; the 9 is waaaay cheaper, and a good +p, +P+ load will do the job:
357 Gold Dot after cloth: 19/.53
124 +P 9mm Gold Dot: 20/.54
200 +P Gold Dot 45: 18/.55
155 GD 40: 18/.57
Flip a coin?
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The 357 is more accurate, but not always. My USP 40 compacts shoot better than my G23/32.
Target shooting in the 226? 9 or 357; the 9 is waaaay cheaper, and a good +p, +P+ load will do the job:
357 Gold Dot after cloth: 19/.53
124 +P 9mm Gold Dot: 20/.54
200 +P Gold Dot 45: 18/.55
155 GD 40: 18/.57
Flip a coin?
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Mike Davies
New member
Mike:
Yes..my post wasn't that clear <g>, but you've pretty much answered my question. I guess what I'm asking is there any reason why my brother *shouldn't* buy a SIG P226 chambered for the .357sig round. The other two calibers that are readily available here in the P226 are .40 cal S&W, and, of course, 9mm Parabellum. I think he likes the 'hybrid' idea of the .357sig round. Was this round developed by SIG-SAUER?
Thanks to Tamara and B.Arrow for the cartridge (brand) information...good stuff!
Mike/BC
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mike H:
Mike,
If I understand you correctly you are asking what the best round for the P226 is and not what is the best .357 Sig round. Mike H[/quote]
Yes..my post wasn't that clear <g>, but you've pretty much answered my question. I guess what I'm asking is there any reason why my brother *shouldn't* buy a SIG P226 chambered for the .357sig round. The other two calibers that are readily available here in the P226 are .40 cal S&W, and, of course, 9mm Parabellum. I think he likes the 'hybrid' idea of the .357sig round. Was this round developed by SIG-SAUER?
Thanks to Tamara and B.Arrow for the cartridge (brand) information...good stuff!
Mike/BC
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mike H:
Mike,
If I understand you correctly you are asking what the best round for the P226 is and not what is the best .357 Sig round. Mike H[/quote]
As a very new guy, I rented a SIG P239 .367 SIG at the range the week after I rented a SIG P226 .40 pistol. The .357 SIG recoil may have been a little more powerful than the .40, but they seemed about equally easy to control (for me). It seemed to my novice hands that the .40 wanted to "twist" a little more than the .357 SIG, which recoiled straight up and down.
I don't really know what kind of ammo I bought when I rented, but muzzle flash was no problem at all. Part of that may be that I look for muzzle flash (so far, it seems that if I see the muzzle flash when shooting, I'm not flinching). I was also shooting the .357 SIG while trying to use both eyes. I don't know if that made a difference.
munir
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I don't really know what kind of ammo I bought when I rented, but muzzle flash was no problem at all. Part of that may be that I look for muzzle flash (so far, it seems that if I see the muzzle flash when shooting, I'm not flinching). I was also shooting the .357 SIG while trying to use both eyes. I don't know if that made a difference.
munir
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Mike Davies
New member
Thanks! It certainly is an impressive *looking* round..just different enough to be interesting.
Mike/BC
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Apostle:
Mike Davies:
It was developed by Sig and Federal.[/quote]
Mike/BC
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Apostle:
Mike Davies:
It was developed by Sig and Federal.[/quote]
Mike Davies
New member
Munir:
Thanks for reporting your experience with the SIG/sig.357 round. I have heard that the .357sig round doesn't 'torque' the gun when fired..I wonder if there's any truth in this?
Mike/BC
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by munir:
As a very new guy, I rented a SIG P239 .367 SIG at the range the week after I rented a SIG P226 .40 pistol. The .357 SIG recoil may have been a little more powerful than the .40, but they seemed about equally easy to control (for me). It seemed to my novice hands that the .40 wanted to "twist" a little more than the .357 SIG, which recoiled straight up and down.
munir
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Thanks for reporting your experience with the SIG/sig.357 round. I have heard that the .357sig round doesn't 'torque' the gun when fired..I wonder if there's any truth in this?
Mike/BC
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by munir:
As a very new guy, I rented a SIG P239 .367 SIG at the range the week after I rented a SIG P226 .40 pistol. The .357 SIG recoil may have been a little more powerful than the .40, but they seemed about equally easy to control (for me). It seemed to my novice hands that the .40 wanted to "twist" a little more than the .357 SIG, which recoiled straight up and down.
munir
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As far as I'm concerned, all 9's, 40's, .45's, and 357 SIG's are too noisy. That's why I bought some electronic ears that are always next to my gun at home and on the range. Then the noise is a moot point, especially if you're using Pro Ears rated at 29.
The electronic ears actually can be turned up so you can hear better, if you think someone has broken into your house.
The electronic ears actually can be turned up so you can hear better, if you think someone has broken into your house.
Eric of IN
New member
Mike,
Although I've never fired either a .357 sig or a .40 out of a P226. If it is mostly for recreational target stuff, he might want to go with a .40 due to ammo cost. I don't know about other parts of the country, but in IN the .357 is considerably more expensive to feed. 9mm would be even cheaper, but if he doesn't want a 9 then he doesn't want a 9.
Eric
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Formerly Puddle Pirate.
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Although I've never fired either a .357 sig or a .40 out of a P226. If it is mostly for recreational target stuff, he might want to go with a .40 due to ammo cost. I don't know about other parts of the country, but in IN the .357 is considerably more expensive to feed. 9mm would be even cheaper, but if he doesn't want a 9 then he doesn't want a 9.
Eric
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Formerly Puddle Pirate.
Teach a kid to shoot.
It annoys the antis.