.357 Terminal velocity

Edhem

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There´s much discussion about how .380 , 7.62 and 9X19 para can be easealy deflected by the bone. And not any bone, but by the single rib!
So do you think guys that .357 soft/flat/combined can break t-bone and keep on going without slipping of the trajectory?
Breaking tbone means target down for all of those who asks what it is.


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What i mean is thigh bone, which is hardest bone.
Ive heard stories that a man was shoot in to the face with 9X19mmpara, just to be deflected by the teaths, ending in the shoulder. It took 5 of them out, but thats silly for a serious bullet.
 
"thermal velocity"? Do you mean "terminal velocity"? I understand that English is probably not your native tongue. "Thermal" denotes heat or temperature, and "terminal" means at the end of its travel.

A flat nose .357 bullet which is on the upper end of the weight range will probably break a thigh bone of most small game without being deflected very much, but it will obviously be deformed and slowed by the impact.

Which animal you are talking about makes a huge difference in the size of the thigh bone.
 
Round nose bullets , especially full jacket will more easily deflect .A flat nose or hollow point has a better chance to break the bone. A heavier and a more strongly constructed bullet is more likely to break the bone .
 
40 cal

shooter hit w a 40 cal above left eye on forhead bullet went around the skin and skull to back of skull and exited

what a buzz and not losing consiouness
 
Ed,

They make extra hard cast bullets for the .357, like castcore, that are made to penetrate deep.

I'd use them or Keith shaped SWCs that are cast hard.

Go look at Buffalo Bore website and their .357 180 grain loads. Very high velocity and very hard cast bullets.

Deaf
 
It does happen, very occasionally:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,351472,00.html

Basic story, women shot between the eyes with .44 and no real damage.

There is the saying that there is no magic bullet... generally bigger, heavier, harder, faster all tend to work "better"; but, hunting versus target versus self-defense are different applications.

You can kill a moose with a .22lr; however, there are better ways of doing this.

Self-defense application, one general rule of thumb is to shoot the biggest that you can accurately with a reliable handgun and ammo and call it good.
 
Jim Cirillo's NYPD stake out squad. Two detectives shot a robber coming through the backroom door eleven times in the face, (five & six shot 38spl.) The man fell down but sat up when the ambulance got there. He was ok. All bullets traveled around the skull, failed to penetrate. British SAS were taught only to shoot at the open mouth when taking head shots.
 
Skull shots are not a good measure of performance. While the skull is reasonably thick, the curves and angles deflect rounds more often than you might think. Even high velocity rounds from rifles are sometimes deflected off the skull and cause only superficial damage. But only sometimes.

From personal experience I can tell you that a SWC .357mag bullet will shatter bone. It may glance off something like the femur, but if it does, its because of the roundness of the bone, not its size or srtength.

I saw a 270lb man shot in the shin with a 160gr SWC driven by a hefty charge of H110. Slight downward angle. Perfect .38 cal entry hole, ragged exit wound in the calf, about the size of a half dollar.

That bullet shattered 17cm of bone, reducing it to chips 1/4" long or so.

There is no doubt in my mind that it would have done about the same thing to the thigh bone. And had that bullet struck a rib, the damage from secondary missiles (bone shards) would have been considerable.

A flat point and power destroys bone. A rounded/pointy tip and less power usually deflects to some degree. It may break the bone, but seldom shatters it like a SWC can do.

Even high power rifle rounds can deflect off bone, sometimes. Its not just a matter of power (velocity), but also of the angles of contact involved.

For example, the bullets that work best against the skulls of elephants and water buffalo are solids (non expanding), rounded noses, and moving about 21-2200fps. They smash through a high percentage of the time. The same bullets moving considerably faster (24-2500fps+) show a much higher percentage of glancing off and not penetrating. Velocity plays a big part, and too much is as bad as not enough. The same principles apply to the lower speeds of handguns, against smaller animals. There is a "sweet spot" speed where the bullet will smash through, faster or slower means more likely to deflect.

This speed will be different for each kind/shape of bullet, and the type/shape of the bone being shot through.
 
Azak, they didnt tell is it mag. or spec.. Ive heard of a man that worked as a cop, and investigated obductions numerous times that a man shoot hims self with .44 mag in the head and that bullet didnt penetrate trough. I think that they dont know in which state gun it self was, bore and trigger mechanism.
I highly doubt that .44 mag.would be deflected.
Also, from the war times ive heard of a story that a man was shoot straight through the head with some sniper riffle round, and bullet went between brain-poles. I hardy suspect that that has happened.

Sharp, i think that your .500 mag. will do the job, putting someone down in an instant.
 
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