I am considering getting a woods gun to tote around when I'm hiking, hunting, or find myself outdoors. Previously, I took my ruger p345 in .45 and I think a 45 is great for most anything but might lacking the extra punch needed for some animal problems. I'm looking for something to cover 2 legged and 4 legged problems if they ever arose when I'm outdoors. So my question is whether I should a Glock 20 in 10mm or something like a Ruger sp101 chambered in .357 mag.
.357 or 10mm
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I don't beleve that for a minute.but whatever excuse you want to use to buy a new gun is ok with me.
10mm and 357 are so close ballisticly that that part is irrelevent.Except that a SP is a far more compact gun and gives up a similar amount of power to a Glock 20 that it would to a 4" GP100.
For rural carry I prefer a 4" revolver or a 4-5" auto.My Smith 1076 and 4" GP100 would be interchangable to me.
skydiver3346
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Which to carry in the woods?
Glock 20 in 10mm should handle most any critter you run into in the woods. Plus you have multiple rounds ready in reserve over the 6 round revolver (if needed).
Glock 20 in 10mm should handle most any critter you run into in the woods. Plus you have multiple rounds ready in reserve over the 6 round revolver (if needed).
When im in the woods, I carry a ruger gp100 4" with hot .357 mag. I have never had to use it, but something about that combo makes me feel safe!! Ballistically, those 2 rounds are pretty close. You would probably do well with both. I am more a revolver guy, so thats why I chose the ruger. Get what you feel confortable with if you need to draw, aim and shoot under a stressful situation.
To me the glock would be a good choice if concealed carry were an issue. However, in the woods, I do not think it is. Besides, if the 357 slugs cant stop the threat, I can always use that GP100 to knock them/it over the head. That gun is SOLID!!!!
-George
To me the glock would be a good choice if concealed carry were an issue. However, in the woods, I do not think it is. Besides, if the 357 slugs cant stop the threat, I can always use that GP100 to knock them/it over the head. That gun is SOLID!!!!
-George
To be honest, quite true. I'm trying to justify buying another firearm in a caliber I don't own. Granted, it will be carried for woods trips/camping and I currently don't have a wheelgun or 10mm I thought it would be a good excuse. Not to mention, a little extra "umph" isn't a bad thing.
Cajun, I actually didn't, I just hopped back on here after being offline for a month or so.
I'll swear it's absolutely necessary.
All kidding aside the SP makes a great little trail gun on the sly. It's heavy enough to handle hot loads.I have the 2 1/8" but the 3" would work good too.
I really don't like Glocks, But I love my 10MMs. The Glock 29 would be worth a look also.
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A SP101 and Glock 20 are almost exactly the same length, height, and weight. The Glock is thicker and a bit harder to conceal. The Glock 29 is both lighter and shorter than the Ruger. If I already had the Ruger I'm not sure I'd trade it, but if buying new I'd go Glock all the way.
The performance of the 2 rounds is very similar, but it is hard to argue with 5 rounds vs 16. I find the Glock much easier to hit with in rapid fire situations as well.
The performance of the 2 rounds is very similar, but it is hard to argue with 5 rounds vs 16. I find the Glock much easier to hit with in rapid fire situations as well.
It really comes down to whether you prefer a revolver or an auto as the ballistics of the two cartridges, with comparable loadings, is remarkably similar. A 10mm does give you higher capacity and less recoil, but the .357 will give you a bit versatility of ammo (anything from .38 Wadcutters and Shotshells to Double Tap and Buffalo Bore nuclear loads) and, from longer barrels, a bit more power (DT 200grn .357 does 1315fps from a 6" barrel and BB 180grn .357 does 1398 from a 5" barrel). Also, you will be able to find .357 Magnum ammo much more easily and less expensively.
If you decide to just stick with your .45, I notice that Double Tap now offers a 255grn Hardcast .45 ACP +P loading.
http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_34&products_id=428
If you decide to just stick with your .45, I notice that Double Tap now offers a 255grn Hardcast .45 ACP +P loading.
http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_34&products_id=428
G20 hands down. It's lighter with a full of 10mm than a revolver with only 6 rds. Heck, a 6" S&W 686 with only 6 rounds weights a bit more than my custom 6" slide G20L pictured below with triple the ammo load (17+1 rds) of hot 10mm.
Both the .357mag and 10mm show much better performance when shot from longer barrels. When both are shot from 6" barrels, Double Tap's 158grn .357mag loads are just a bit slower than their 165grn 10mm.
10mm: a bit faster, a bit heavier, and a bit larger hole. What's not to like.
Also, Double Tap makes both a 200grn and 230grn hardcast lead bullet load for the 10mm.
(BTW, I also have a 7.5" bbl .357mag SA but I'll take my Glock to the woods.)
Both the .357mag and 10mm show much better performance when shot from longer barrels. When both are shot from 6" barrels, Double Tap's 158grn .357mag loads are just a bit slower than their 165grn 10mm.
10mm: a bit faster, a bit heavier, and a bit larger hole. What's not to like.
Also, Double Tap makes both a 200grn and 230grn hardcast lead bullet load for the 10mm.
(BTW, I also have a 7.5" bbl .357mag SA but I'll take my Glock to the woods.)
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SadistAssassin
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wow they are about the same power 650-800ft-lbs of energy...depends...if its an urban situation i'd go with the 10mm JHP's....rural go withthe 357 mag HCFN's.
I have both: A S&W 27-2 for .357 and Glock 20 for 10mm.
I choose the 10mm over the .357 magnum.
*Although ballistically they are the same, 180 and 200 grain ammo is very common locally for 10mm but not for .357 mag.
*They're ballistically similar but 10mm is still 12% bigger diameter than .357
*The Glock is lighter with a greater capacity; meaning I don't need to carry separate ammo for the pistol.
That's if I am only carrying a pistol. Now if I'm also carrying a long gun, my sidearm is usually a .32 H&R or .22 WMR revolver.
But ironically, next time I go out, I'll be carrying a new Ruger P345.
Larry
I choose the 10mm over the .357 magnum.
*Although ballistically they are the same, 180 and 200 grain ammo is very common locally for 10mm but not for .357 mag.
*They're ballistically similar but 10mm is still 12% bigger diameter than .357
*The Glock is lighter with a greater capacity; meaning I don't need to carry separate ammo for the pistol.
That's if I am only carrying a pistol. Now if I'm also carrying a long gun, my sidearm is usually a .32 H&R or .22 WMR revolver.
But ironically, next time I go out, I'll be carrying a new Ruger P345.
Larry
Cheapshooter
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Grantman, follow my lead. I didn't have a Glock, I didn't have a 10 MM. What could be a better remedy. I bought a Glock 20 SF a month ago. And love it! As the shoe add used to say "Just do it"!!!
The SP101 is not a "real" 357Magnum. It can't deliver full performance from the wildest, edgiest ammo available from Buffalo Bore or DoubleTap. Both because the small size makes outer-edge loads close to uncontrollable, while the 2" and even 3" barrels don't really spit 'em at their full potential.
A 4" barrel GP100 or a very similar S&W 686 is the smallest "real 357" made today. And in my opinion, guns the size of a Colt SAA are even better as a launch platform for the really hot stuff, such as the aforementioned Beretta or my Ruger NewVaq357.
The 10mm Glocks are nice, and will do for most needs. But hardcast flatnosed heavyweight 357s loaded balls-out have an edge when the threat is big and hairy.
A 4" barrel GP100 or a very similar S&W 686 is the smallest "real 357" made today. And in my opinion, guns the size of a Colt SAA are even better as a launch platform for the really hot stuff, such as the aforementioned Beretta or my Ruger NewVaq357.
The 10mm Glocks are nice, and will do for most needs. But hardcast flatnosed heavyweight 357s loaded balls-out have an edge when the threat is big and hairy.
coolbreezy
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Off topic, but for what its worth a 4" redhawk in 45 lc will definately stop an angry bear in his tracks, otherwise i'd go with a g20.
CrazyHorse89
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G20
I don't know where you are or what size threat your anticipating but I think either would be okay. I'm a revolver guy and think that it's impossible to go wrong with a 357 magnum. Great versatility. A Ruger Blackhawk or Gp100 would be my first pick because of their strength and sheer ruggedness. A Smith and Wesson 19 would be great as well. The Ruger Sp101 is a great little gun but it might be just a bit too small. If concealment is an issue I certainly would consider it.
My personal choices vary between a 4 5/8 Blackhawk and a 5.5 Ruger New Vaquero. Blackbears are the biggest thing to worry about but to be honest I'm really not too worried about them.
My personal choices vary between a 4 5/8 Blackhawk and a 5.5 Ruger New Vaquero. Blackbears are the biggest thing to worry about but to be honest I'm really not too worried about them.