.357 enough?

JRLaws

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I recently purchased a Ruger GP100 .357 mag. 6 inch stainless and LOVE the gun. I'm going to get another revolver soon, and was thinking perhaps a .44 or .45.

As an all purpose, "all the time - everywhere" gun am I missing something with the .357? I know that the bigger calibers offers more range when hunting, but how are they at self defense? My .357 has almost no recoil, would that be an issue with the others? Where do the big boys realy stand out?

Thanks for the advice.
 
You should be good for most everything up to deer. The only problem is that your barrel is a little long for self-defense (especially if your going to use it as "car gun"). But unless you plan on going after something bigger than deer you really don't "need" a .44 Mag (but it makes a good excuse to buy a new gun). Plus with that Ruger you'll be good to go for years. I've owned a handful of Rugers over the years, and wished I'd of kept more of them. They are fine weapons and will last forever.
But if you do get a .44 Mag, it's gonna kick alot, cost alot, be very cool and make a pack a wallop downrange (I've had fragments of bullets go all the way through a 200 lbs pig, when fired out of a 7.5 Super Blackhawk). But make sure you can handle the recoil. It's very easy to deveop bad flinching habits while firing a .44 Mag (use lots of .44 Spl).
As for a .45, I take it you mean .45 Long Colt. I'd avoid it, just becasue it's harder to find "hunting ammo" for it. Many of the commerical rounds are loaded lightly, becasue of the old guns out there. So you either have to dig for high pressure ammo or handload your own. But with the right ammo a .45LC will do almost as good as a .44 (some will tell you it will do even better, but that's a personal issue).
Hope this helps.
 
Your .44 and .45 calibers have more power when they are traveling at magnum velocities but rapid repeat shots becomes an important issue. In my opinion you have chosen a great caliber for defense. The fact that you like the Ruger and are comfortible with its recoil are pluses in your favor if you must use it to defend your life or the life of another.
 
UT_Air_Assault I'm kinda new to handguns, so plese bear with me. Others have also indicated that a six inch barrel may be too long for defense. In what ways does this hurt the gun (I could get one with a shorter barrel :D) Sorry, I was thinking about the .45 Colt. I had read a review of the Ruger SuperBlackhawk in .45 Colt and drooled all over the room. :o That gun with the Corbon +P loads look like a match made in heaven.

capbuster good points, thaks for the help. Another .357 certainly would not hurt. :D

JohnKSa Thanks, I had no clue about that. I'd bet a 125gr bullet is moving pretty fast, is penetration an issues with it? Would you reccomend any one brand/load in paticular?

Again, thanks guys.
 
My favourite 357 Magnums are 180 gr Winchester Supreme JHPs. My two favoured platforms are S&W and they are a M19 6" K frame and a M28 6" N frame. For carry, field or CCW, I lean towards a nickel Colt Trooper MKIII 4".
 
JR, Not only are you fine, you have the most effective combat round available in a handgun. You'll get all kinds of oppinions and I'm gonna give you mine. Shoot it as much as you can afford to and think about becoming a handloader. It is not as difficult as most people imagine, to do it right and handgun ammunition is easier than rifle and a good place to start. There are many fine and knowledgeable handloaders here and your not likely to ever get incorrect advice and if you do someone will post to correct it. You cannot buy factory ammo that will come close to the potential of hunting loads that you can develop yourself.

None of you need to get nervous! Factory 125 gr. JHP's are the Kings of combat! You can however duplicate them easily if you reload. I really encourage any of you guys to take this up. I don't know a lot of serious handgunners that don't unless it's people that are in a profession where their duty and practice ammo is provided. As far as handgun hunters the list narrows even further. On top of that, it is a great and very rewarding hobby that will vastly increase your knowledge of ballistics.

What I'm suggesting to JR is to shoot often to become acclimated to recoil, and it is highly overated in .357! Especially in a gun the size of a GP-100.

I agree that a 6" barrel length might be long, but that's the one you have, and around the home or even in the car if you have a concealed carry license, there are few better, so keep shooting and when you get to the point where you also wonder what all the fuss is about regarding recoil in the .357, it's probably time to think about the next one. You also need to practice double action firing and don't worry about accuracy or what anyone else thinks. Start at 7 yards and move back to 15 as your ability increases, but, at a couple of yards at a time.That will be far enough. When you can hit the head of a silhouette 6 times in double action fairly quickly your quite a ways ahead of the pack. This is just a practice for developing DA trigger skill, because the center of mass (chest) is where you want to become proficient in actual defensive shooting practice. Hopefully, none of us will ever have to shoot an attacker, but train like you will and with all of the information on the internet and of course TV and the movies, it's not out of the realm of possibility that you could be confronted by someone wearing body armor and practicing headshots will make a lot of since at that point.

I do have a little experience on this topic and if I were asked for an oppinion regarding a self defense revolver in .357, it's a no brainer. A 3" Ruger GP-100 or Smith K Frame. Maybe Smith will wake up and give us a 3" L Frame if they're gonna discontinue the K. If you want to get a used one from a dealer with police trade-ins, it's a good option as soon as you can afford it, and if you trust the dealer. Otherwise get an experienced wheelgunner to with you and examine it first. Forget about adjustable sights on a combat revolver. they will snag your clothing and are unecessary. A fixed sight 3" revolver will shoot to the point of aim at combat distance. If you go smaller, don't get a lighter weight gun than is absolutely necessary. Sp-101 5 shot rugers or K frame sized snubs are as small as I would be comfortable with as a recomendation and if you get a 15 oz. .357 and shoot it with .357 ammo, you're in for a shock! I've seen guys struggle with them with .38 Sp. +P and if you don't shoot it, it's not going to do you any good unless you've also got a four leaf clover in your pocket!

The most knowledgeable oppinions I have ever read on the topic of using the .357 for game say use it and I have. You are not undergunned for Deer, provided you know what the maximum distance of your shots should be and you select the correct bullet. The accepted test limit usually involves the distance you can place all six of your shots into a 6" circle, offhand (the heart/lung area of a Whitetail Deer). If you use a scope no doubt you'll want to tighten that up to about 4". Usually the distance recommended for the.357 is 75 yards max. But, again it depends on the load. There is good, safe load data for 158 gr. bullets that will achieve 1600 FPS in strong revolvers like the GP or the L Frame. That will give you 900 Ft/Lbs of energy at the muzzle and put you in the vicinity of factory loads in .41 and .44 magnum. I'm not going to kid you the .41 and .44 are more effective, but the only way to get more appreciable power with them in a factory load would be with the 180 JHP in .44 mag that a lot of folks believe has a jacket that's too light for Deer. The best factory loads in .41 and .44 mag for Deer are loads intended for the purpose. Personally, I use the .41, but I also handload. I also like to pack a revolver on rifle hunts. You may have to perform what I call a Coupe de gracie, cause I don't speak French and probably can't correctly spell Coup de gras! (corrections welcome)

As soon as you can, order some Wolf gunsprings and install the lighter weight trigger springs. You can install the hammer springs also, but you don't want a hammer spring lighter than the factory weight. or it will increase the locktime of trigger pull to cartridge ignition. The lighter trigger spring on the GP-100 will help you with accuracy when shooting single action and doing this makes getting a .357 for full time defense a little higher priority. My recommendation for the Wolfspring packs would be to go with the lightest trigger spring and the heaviest hammer spring. It's a good way to go for a field and range revolver, but best to wait until you get a full time carry gun before you change the hammer spring.

Hope this helps JR! ;)
 
The .357 is still one of the most versatile revolver cartridges around - especially with the numerous loads available today. While not as handy as a 4" the 6" offers more steam and weight up front where it counts. I think you made a fine choice, and it is more than adequate to deal with any predatory creatures at home or on the trail with the exception of grizzly and brown bears.
 
JR, I'd stick with what you have. Theres no need to sell the weapon you have just to get 2 less inches off the barrel. Sturm is 100% dead on with his diagnosis. Only thing that I'd add on is, if your going to put a scope on your .357 (which makes is next to useless for defense) I'd go with a RedDot type scope in leu of a magnified scope. This is because even with a 4 power scope it will be dancing all over the place when you get that big buck in your sights.
Like I said with the .45LC, it's a great cartridge with lots of potential, just it's harder to make it really perform than the .44 if your not a handloader.
 
Overpenetration with the 125gr JHP .357Mag round is just about unheard of. Explosive expansion and partial fragmentation is the norm. Out of a 4" revolver it should be doing around 1450fps at the muzzle.

For hunting, you can go with a 158gr JSP, or maybe a 180grain hunting load. I wouldn't use the lighter rounds like the 125gr for hunting.
 
With the exception of the barrel length, I think you have the perfect gun already...especially for hunting. The .357 is hard to beat.
 
As other have posted- anything from 110gr zingers to 180 grain thumpers are avalible in this caliber.

That gp100 would really have no problem holding up to any of the hot stuff for as long as you are alive.

You've got a good gun, now just go shoot it a bunch.
 
I have a S&W 686 with 6" barrel and a S&W 66 with 2.5" barrel. To me the .357 is hard to beat. Pickup a winchester or other ammo brochure at the gunshop and compare ballistics to other calibers. Besides the larger caliber magnum rounds the .357 smokes every other caliber out there. I like the .45 acp(1911) but that round doesn't measure up to the .357 magnum. So to me unless you're a cop or gangbanger that needs 12 or fifteen round clips with more in reserve, the .357 magnum is the way to go...
 
Thanks everyone for all the great advice!

As I said, I LOVE my gun. I was worried about being under-gunned from the lack of recoil it has (after she fired some Fiocchi 148gr jhp @ a stated 1500 fps, my poor old mother refers to the gun as a "fat-angry .22" :) ). This thread has taught me a lot, thanks. My next gun is going to be another .357 now. I'm starting to feel that if a .357 is not enough, I probably need a rifle. ;)
 
.357 wil take anything brown bear and smaller just fine...

Seeing as I have only shot a 4" 629 and own a .44 Mag SBH, my opinion is limited on the big boys, but I myself find the SBH to be very mild in the recoil department(muzzle flip is a lot, but not so much that it hinders speed and accuracy)
 
no, NOT enough. Now you need a revolver in .41, .44, .45 and possibly also in .38, .22, and 9mm.

Once you have been bitten by the revolver bug, there is no backing off :)
 
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