327 federal Whats the big deal?

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smleno1mkIII

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Wouldn't a hand loaded 7.62x25 tok do the same thing and for a lot cheaper. Someone should make a revolver in 7.62x25 or a Glock chambered in it would be awesome.:D
 
Why not the 7.62x25 instead of the .327 Fed in a revolver? Because moon clips are a pain in the behind, that's why.
 
awe common they wouldn't be that bad besides they make revolvers in 32 acp and 30 carbine and from what ive heard they make Ruger Blackhawks in 9mm and 38/357 with interchanging cylinders and a cylinder for the 45 colt model to shoot 45 acp you mind explaining to me how the heck they get moon clips in a Blackhawk or a Russian nagant for that matter.
 
you mind explaining to me how the heck they get moon clips in a Blackhawk or a Russian nagant for that matter.
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As I understand it, the mill off a bit from the back of the cylinder to make room for the clips. Spendy, I'd bet.
 
You'll never see the 7.62x25 approach the potential of the new .327 mag. simply put, the .327 is an adequate defense round in a sub-bore, and a versatile target/hunting round. It may never be very popular for defense, however it will probably find it's niche with the target and small-game crowd.
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But isn't the velocity bullet weight and bullet diameter close to the same on both the only thing is with the 7.62x25 your stuck with the CZ 52 or the Tokarev?
 
The 30 carbine Blackhawk headspaces on the cartridge mouth, so no moonclips. It is VERY sensitive to case length, making it a bit annoying to reload for, and the only case I have needed to trim. I would guess a 9mm Blackhawk would headspace the same way.

Side note, according to Ballistics by the Inch, 327 mag has about the same ballistics as 30 carbine from a carbine-length barrel.

Lee
 
Gotta headspace off something....

Unless they built the cylinder with a step in each charge hole to give the case mouth something to headspace on (making for trickier reloading procedures, not to mention manufacturing processes -Headspace the exact same in all six holes?) you'll need moon clips (with a milled-off cylinder) or a rimmed case.

Mehbee you'll invent the 7.62x25 Auto-Rim, eh? That'd sell like ......... not hotcakes.......... um..... er ...... .45 Auto-Rim?
 
The 7.62x25 is a fairly long cartridge. The overall length is longer than that of the 10mm or the .38 super. It's hard to fit it into a gun without retooling entirely.

I too have noticed some similarities between the 7.62x25 and the .327 mag. However, heavier bullet weights are available for the .327 mag. Loads are available with 115 gr bullets, fired at similar velocities to a 115 gr 9x19. Or, at least they would be if you could get one with a longer barrel than the compact revolvers it's mostly chambered in.

I still don't really think I understand it. The 9mm Federal still makes a hell of a lot more sense as a defense cartridge.

Is the ability to fire .32 H&R mag or .32 long really that big of a deal? Or is the big deal fitting an extra round into a cylinder?
 
...Have you actually fired one?
Out of the Ruger SP-101, recoil is also greatly reduced from even .38 Spl +P, IMO. I've shot a lot of it.
 
The .327 is what the 32 H&R should have been. It's a cartridge suitable for SD (almost double the energy of the .38+P) that has easily controllable recoil in a lightweight carry revolver and gives an extra shot vs. a 38 special. If I were going to buy a new pocket snubby I'd go for the .327. Yes the ballistics are similar to other rounds but there is not another .32 round with the same ballistics in a cartridge suitable for a revolver.

Moon clips work great with short cartridges like the 9mm and .45 acp because the clip is ridged enough to hold the bullet ends from leaning into the center. Once you go to longer cartridges the moon clips stop being quite so hot. Speedloaders hold more of the cartridge so they are better at keeping the bullet tips apart for fast loading. Moon clips are still ok and some swear by them but if they were really great for 38 and 357 length cartridges don't you think every revolver maker would send their guns from the factory ready for them? Wouldn't they have done so for the 100 years that DA revolvers dominated in LE firearms? In a revolver setup to take rimmed cartridges in moon clips you can also use it without the clips so nothing would be lost by making them able to use moon clips. It's just a matter of shaving a bit off the cylinder, which could just be done when that part is initially cut so there would be no additional cost to produce them. They don't bother for a reason.
 
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What others have said. Low-to-midling .357 performance with less "sturm und drang" in a similar format that shoots an extra round (in J Frame and GP100 type platforms) or two (in the Blackhawk). Btw, low-to-midling .357 performance does it quite nicely in most SD situations. My Single Six .32 H&R Mags will be eventually converted to .327. They are great as is, but the extra oomph will make them even more-perfect small game getters and trail companions....And I want one of the new Ruger SP101s or non-ported Smith Js in the Fed Mag real bad!
 
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