Guido Lasagna
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I am new to shooting and am interested in 94 Winchester lever action rifles. Are .30-30 and .30 WCF the same ammo? Are there still 94 Winchesters out there chambered in .22 LR? Thanks, Guido Lasagna
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.30-.30 verses .30WCF AMMO
- Thread starter Guido Lasagna
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g.willikers
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The two rounds are generally the same, discounting all the changes down through the years:
http://www.leverguns.com/articles/3030history.htm
http://www.leverguns.com/articles/3030history.htm
bamaranger
New member
as noted
The two headstamps you described are interchangeable, same cartridge.
The "94's" in .22 (and .22 mag) were numbered 94-22 and are no longer manufactured. They have climbed considerably in price in the last decade.
The two headstamps you described are interchangeable, same cartridge.
The "94's" in .22 (and .22 mag) were numbered 94-22 and are no longer manufactured. They have climbed considerably in price in the last decade.
Mike Irwin
Staff
Not generally the same, they are the same cartridge dimensionally (the case), just loaded at different times.
Mike Irwin
Staff
I've seen early Remington Model 8s Marked .30-30 Remington.
That only lasted a couple of years because of the confusion.
That only lasted a couple of years because of the confusion.
To expand on my post of yesterday, the .30-30 Winchester is a rimmed cartridge and the .30 Remington is a rimless, but I believe other dimensions are close or the same. Not sure what kind of mischief would result if one were to try to put one or the other into the wrong gun.
Also several other similarly named cartridges, but size is much different.
Finally, there may be more collector interest to some of these cartridges than firing them.
Also several other similarly named cartridges, but size is much different.
Finally, there may be more collector interest to some of these cartridges than firing them.
Mike Irwin
Staff
Winchester brought out 3 cartridges in the Model 1894 lever action rifle:
.25-35 WCF
.30-30 WCF
.32 Winchester Special
Remington, not wanting to lose out on the growing popularity of the new smokeless powder rounds, had John Browning design a semi-automatic rifle, the Model 8.
Remington also introduced four new cartridges:
.25 Remington
.30 Remington
.32 Remington
.35 Remington
The .35 Remington was the only new and unique cartridge in the line up; the others were simply rimless versions of Winchester's rounds. They were so close, in fact, that dies and loading data were interchangeable.
The .25, .30, and .32 Remington rounds soldiered on for some years, being chambered in Remington pump and bolt guns, but never achieved the kind of wide-spread use and acceptance that the Winchester rounds did.
The exception was the .35 Remington, which gained quick and lasting popularity, in large part likely because Winchester didn't have a comparable chambering for the 1894 (although a common gunsmithing conversion as the .35/.30-30, which was used to salvage guns with worn bores).
.25-35 WCF
.30-30 WCF
.32 Winchester Special
Remington, not wanting to lose out on the growing popularity of the new smokeless powder rounds, had John Browning design a semi-automatic rifle, the Model 8.
Remington also introduced four new cartridges:
.25 Remington
.30 Remington
.32 Remington
.35 Remington
The .35 Remington was the only new and unique cartridge in the line up; the others were simply rimless versions of Winchester's rounds. They were so close, in fact, that dies and loading data were interchangeable.
The .25, .30, and .32 Remington rounds soldiered on for some years, being chambered in Remington pump and bolt guns, but never achieved the kind of wide-spread use and acceptance that the Winchester rounds did.
The exception was the .35 Remington, which gained quick and lasting popularity, in large part likely because Winchester didn't have a comparable chambering for the 1894 (although a common gunsmithing conversion as the .35/.30-30, which was used to salvage guns with worn bores).