.22s with longer sight radius

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seems all 22s come with the mid mounted open sights. Theyre okay, but i like a longer radius. I especially like aperature style to the open style. Seeing what out there may fit the bill. Thinking a savae mk2 fvt but seeing what else may be out there.
 
You could get a CZ super lux or whatever they call the one with a 27-28" barrel and put a techsight on it. Brooks makes a peep sight that works on the barrel mounted open sight fwiw.
 
Yep, one of the CZ models has a long barrel and sight radius. I believe maybe it is the lux but I don't remember off hand. If you try one, you won't be dissapointed.
 
If you are into older stuff, there are lots of Mossbergs around with 26" barrels and peep sights. I have an old Marlin 81dl with a long barrel and peep sights. Longer barrels are much easier on the ears when hunting.
 
The CZ 452 Lux has a barrel somewhere around 24". Walnut stock.

The "Special Military Trainer" is the same rifle with a plain-jane beech stock (cheaper price).

The Ultra Lux has a 28" barrel, walnut stock.



I've got the Trainer and it feels plenty long. Great shooter.


I had my eye on the FVT as well but could only find the Mark I single shot version so I passed. Stock felt a bit small and chintzy but everything I've read about them indicates they are outstanding shooters. Keep in mind that they have diopter sights with front globes which are about as good as a scope when you know how to use them. Basically what Biathletes and Olympic shooters use. Downside is they are not classed as "iron sights" in most US competition.
 
If you don't mind a S.S., there are the various British BSA match rifles in various marks with 28" barrels, with appature sights mounted on rear of action, for very long sight radius.
 
Lesson 1: Note the rear sight on the receiver is on a different part than it may be best on which is the same piece the bullet leaves, namely, the barrel.
Lesson 2: barrels longer than 16" start to slow down the bullet.
 
Im not looking for an expenisve match gun. Did see tech sights that mimick a m16 sight picture that dont cost that much for 10-22s.
 
If that's what interests you, know that you can get a 24" bull barrel for the 10/22 from Numrich for $100 (I have one, but it seems clumsy to me) and an adapter to fit the 10/22 tech sights.

FWIW, my CZ Ultra is more accurate than that heavy 24" 10/22, and it is more pleasant to carry.
 
Lesson 2: barrels longer than 16" start to slow down the bullet.
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The idea that 22s slow down after 16" gets thrown around a lot but the bottom line is that different types of ammo will perform very differently and individual barrels are not all the same. For some rifle and ammo combinations 16" is ideal. For others, it is not.

Besides, trading velocity for accuracy is a good trade.

edit: I am referring to the accuracy acheived as a result of the longer sight radius since OP is using irons.
 
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Longer barrels are not more accurate than shorter barrels, but allow you to have a longer sight radius, which is more accurate. Longer sight radius allows you to take full advantage of the accuracy potential of any rifle. The reason rifles come with mid-barrel leaf or buckhorn sights has more to do with manufacturing cost control than accuracy (cheaper sights, fewer holes to drill, faster to mount). The main reason you see shorter barrels on 22LR sporters nowadays is for portability and maneuverability. It's a trade-off that many people are willing to accept, especially since scopes (which are more common nowadays than even 20 years ago) do away with the accuracy advantages of the longer barrel/sight radius.
barrels longer than 16" start to slow down the bullet
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I have heard this bandied about over the years, but chronograph tests will negate this theory pretty fast. As 22LR bullets leave the case, they gain velocity very quickly for the first 6"-10", then the velocity gain curve slows down beyond 16"-18". As you approach 22"-24" velocity gain per inch of barrel is minimal, and the variation in velocity is also reduced (which typically increases accuracy/consistency). You would have to have a very long barrel before you would notice any loss in velocity, but it could happen, probably past 26" or so depending on the ammo. As long as the pressure X bullet base area is greater than the friction X surface area, you will continue to gain velocity, which is why the gun goes BANG, although with longer barrels there is a substantial reduction in report (indicating a drop in pressure differential).
 
"Lesson 2: barrels longer than 16" start to slow down the bullet."

Slow is good when it comes to .22 LR. It needs to stay below the speed of sound to maximize accuracy potential. The sound barrier is a bear when it comes to that little 40-grain bullet.

I used to have a Winchester Model 72A with a factory peep sight. It was a good gun and quite accurate.
 
You might want to try a Henry Frontier model and add an inexpensive Taurus tang sight to it. The tang mounted peep sight will dramatically increase your sight radius.

Example: I have two Rossi 38/357 leverguns.

One, a 20" carbine has a std sight radius of 16".

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The other, a 24" rifle has a std sight radius of 20". However, if you change the rear barrel sight to folding and add a tang peep sight the sight radius increases to 30".

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I dont necessarily want a longer barrel. I just hate how every .22 has the forward mpunted open sights, would like a rear mounted sight. Think of it like cmparing m1 garand sights to a ruger 10-22.
 
What about a plain jane 10/22 with tech sights? (I don't have tech sights, but I find them interesting.)

That kind of diopter sight can give good accuracy with very short radius. The sights on an AR carbine are pretty close together, but I can get two inch groups at 100m even with my worse than average eyes.

Google "liberty training rifle" and you get the idea.
 
Ive thought about the 10-22 with tech sights, seems like a fun setup. How easy are they to install? Go on a standard scope base? A video or step by step pic setp would be nice to see.
 
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" lesson 1: Note the rear sight on the reciever is on a different part than it may be best on which is the same piece the bullet leaves, namely the barrel."
Kindly explane the difference when mounting a scope sight on the RECIEVER of a Ruger 10-22? I have a BSA barreled & customized by H.M. Pope, with a reciever sight. I am certain if there were any accuracy issues with such a set-up, he would have not have employed it.
 
tech sights are great, appleseeders love them. they mount straight to the reciever, no other mount required. If you have a stock barrel, the front sight fits the dove tail. if you have a bull barrel, they have an adapter for that. Williams also makes a dandy reciever sight for the 10/22
 
Lot more novice shooters here than I expected asking rhetorical questions.

19" is about where a 22 Mag used to start to lose velocity -- that has shortened a bit too recently it seems.

Tech-Sights? Very easy to install but, again, now you are moving them off the barrel and onto the receiver, so, may be no net gain in accuracy. Try 'em. It'll look something like my toy here when u r done...
 

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