.22 penetration and expansion
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Radicalcleric
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Probably pretty limited given the low velocities. I have an Iver Johnson TP22 with a 1 & 7/8 barrel and velocities were pretty dismal. I used to pack this gun when I needed very discrete carry but quit after shooting a few rounds over the chronograph. As I recall I was getting something like 700 FPS with 40 grain High Velocity loads.
GoldenLoki
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I've done a few .22lr tests out of a Taurus PT22
Results are posted at:
http://www.goldenloki.com/ammo/gel/22lr/gel22lr.htm
GL
Results are posted at:
http://www.goldenloki.com/ammo/gel/22lr/gel22lr.htm
GL
GoldenLoki,
I have been looking for your web site, and now I have it.
Thought that you had done some .22 testing, but wasn't sure.
I remember when you did the .32 gel tests and posted them. They were very impressive. Thank you for the information.
Do you think that there would be much difference in the results of the .22 tests if the gun used was a NAA 1-1/8" instead of the
PT-22 2-3/4"?
I have been looking for your web site, and now I have it.
Thought that you had done some .22 testing, but wasn't sure.
I remember when you did the .32 gel tests and posted them. They were very impressive. Thank you for the information.
Do you think that there would be much difference in the results of the .22 tests if the gun used was a NAA 1-1/8" instead of the
PT-22 2-3/4"?
revolvergeek
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Hey GL,
Had a chance to try out any of that ammo i sent you? I have some standard velocity .38spl 125 Gold Dots that I will send you soon to check out.
Danny
Had a chance to try out any of that ammo i sent you? I have some standard velocity .38spl 125 Gold Dots that I will send you soon to check out.
Danny
GoldenLoki
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Mr G., I think the results from a 1 5/8 Mini would be very similar to the PT-22 since auto and revolver barrels are measured differntly. Meaning that they are actually closer in length than the stated measures : )
Danny, I ain't even had a chance to unpack the box yet, but I am getting the urge to splatter some gel real soon. I picked up a S&W 442, for the .38 snub tests. Still need a short barrel .357.. oh well, guess I gotta buy another gun.
GL
Danny, I ain't even had a chance to unpack the box yet, but I am getting the urge to splatter some gel real soon. I picked up a S&W 442, for the .38 snub tests. Still need a short barrel .357.. oh well, guess I gotta buy another gun.
GL
Tropical Z
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I wonder how well the new CCI Velocitor rounds penetrate and expand?
P.S.thanx for your site Goldenloki-i just explored it for the first time.Very nice info to have.
P.S.thanx for your site Goldenloki-i just explored it for the first time.Very nice info to have.
Heres a link to an article on the mini revolver
http://www.findarticles.com/cf_0/m0BTT/153_25/75211984/p1/article.jhtml?term=pocket+pal
Velocity figures from the 1 1/8" barrel are given for mini-mags an d stingers. It seems like I remember a little expansion from stingers but not sure.
http://www.findarticles.com/cf_0/m0BTT/153_25/75211984/p1/article.jhtml?term=pocket+pal
Velocity figures from the 1 1/8" barrel are given for mini-mags an d stingers. It seems like I remember a little expansion from stingers but not sure.
check out CCI Maxi-Mag + V's in .22WMR
I have an NAA .22 MAG mini-revolver and carry only CCI Maxi-Mag +V rounds in it. These premium rounds are sometimes hard to find but if you check NAA's very fine website under technical, you'll see that these rounds are moving at well over 1,000 FPS out of a 1 1/8" barrel. Ammo makes a big difference in the performance of these guns. I certainly wouldn't want to step in front of one of these at belly-gun range; velocity, muzzle blast, and ejected by-products of combustion are incredible for a small back-up gun. Expansion? Don't have an answer there but the +V rounds are indeed hollow points. I can just imagine something traveling at over 1,000 FPS doing a lot of ricocheting inside. Damage? yes. Stopping power? Hmmmmmmmmmmm.
I have an NAA .22 MAG mini-revolver and carry only CCI Maxi-Mag +V rounds in it. These premium rounds are sometimes hard to find but if you check NAA's very fine website under technical, you'll see that these rounds are moving at well over 1,000 FPS out of a 1 1/8" barrel. Ammo makes a big difference in the performance of these guns. I certainly wouldn't want to step in front of one of these at belly-gun range; velocity, muzzle blast, and ejected by-products of combustion are incredible for a small back-up gun. Expansion? Don't have an answer there but the +V rounds are indeed hollow points. I can just imagine something traveling at over 1,000 FPS doing a lot of ricocheting inside. Damage? yes. Stopping power? Hmmmmmmmmmmm.
Radicalcleric
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Bullets from .22 rim fires act strangely when they hit human targets. Lacking mass and energy they tend to follow the path of least resistance rather than plowing through bone and tissue. They will often be turned by bone or heavy muscle, and will frequently follow along a bone or artery to a location in the body far from where one would expect to find it.
I recall one man who shot himslef in the foot with a .22. While waiting in the ER for treatment of a relatively minor wound he suffered a heart siezure and died. The bullet had entered the bloodstream and been carried to the heart where it lodged in the valve killing the man.
Another fellow was wounded in the arm with a .22. The MDs looked for the slug with no luck. Just a small entrance wound was all they found. Finally, one of the exasperated physicians asked the man if he felt any pain other than the injury to his arm. He replied that his jaw ached. An X-ray revealed the bulled stuck in the muscle under his jawbone. The slug had hit the bone in his arm and followed it to the shoulder where it went up the neck to where it stopped.
Surgeons hate working GSW victims who were hit with .22s because of this phenomenon. They often have to play hide and seek with the projectiles.
I recall one man who shot himslef in the foot with a .22. While waiting in the ER for treatment of a relatively minor wound he suffered a heart siezure and died. The bullet had entered the bloodstream and been carried to the heart where it lodged in the valve killing the man.
Another fellow was wounded in the arm with a .22. The MDs looked for the slug with no luck. Just a small entrance wound was all they found. Finally, one of the exasperated physicians asked the man if he felt any pain other than the injury to his arm. He replied that his jaw ached. An X-ray revealed the bulled stuck in the muscle under his jawbone. The slug had hit the bone in his arm and followed it to the shoulder where it went up the neck to where it stopped.
Surgeons hate working GSW victims who were hit with .22s because of this phenomenon. They often have to play hide and seek with the projectiles.
Dean Grinell came up with several of these about a generation ago. One dude inserted a .32 revolver in his mouth and pulled the trigger. Bullet curved around his hard palate , entered his spinal column and proceeded downward.
Another guy stuck a small bore centerfire up against his chest and touched off. Bullet turned on a rip and traveled under the skin until it came to rest in his scrotum. Grinell remarked that he showed up in the ER a couple of weeks later wishing that his " original design had been accomplished."
Probably invented the break-dance way ahead of its time.
Another guy stuck a small bore centerfire up against his chest and touched off. Bullet turned on a rip and traveled under the skin until it came to rest in his scrotum. Grinell remarked that he showed up in the ER a couple of weeks later wishing that his " original design had been accomplished."
Probably invented the break-dance way ahead of its time.