22-250 vs 223

KMAX

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I would like thoughts on 22-250 vs 223 at 200 yards for paper targets and varmenting. .223 seems to be much more available and a lot cheaper to waste ammo. Please share your wisdom.
 
If all you are going is 200 yards the .223 is a more versatile rifle usually having a faster twist to allow more bullet choices. I've never owned a .22-250 but have three .223's at the moment. I wouldn't turn down a good deal in either caliber.
 
The .22-250's advantages are speed and flatter trajectory. At 200 yards and less, practically speaking you will see little to no differences between the two.

Either one will get the job done easily if the person pulling the trigger does everything right.
 
Personally I can't see much past 200 yards and I'm having a hard time slowing down the .223, which I think is way overpowered as a small game (rabbit/hare size) hunting rifle, if you're trying to eat your game afterwards. And yes for running costs you can't beat it.

Full house loads are impressive in both the .223 and 22-250. Great varminters but not much use for the cook pot unless you're looking to shoot antelope or white tail... or perhaps a bit bigger game.

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For general shooting Ilike the 223 cheap & easy on the ears.Really like the22-250 for a little longer range & for hunting Yotes & fox. both are great rounds.
 
200 yds 7 cookpot

200 yds is my farthest target at the range. Rabbits are .22lr targets out to about 100 yds. I am looking for something capable for fox and coyote, not that I really hunt them. .223 is capable enough for whitetail here, but I have a .270 that I really like and am very good with. Looks like .223 is favored here. Thanks for the info all.
 
First let me say, "I'm not a hunter!", now having said that, let me ask a question. Is it legal to hunt deer with a 223, or a 22-250? IIRC, some states require minimum of 23 cal for medium size game (Deer) and 25 cal. for big game (Elk).

If I were to live between 100 yds. and 200 yds. on paper, I would be looking around for something smaller. Maybe an old 222Rem, 22 Hornet, or even a 22LR.
 
Where I am it is legal to hunt deer with .223 or .22-250. I certainly would not go after elk with one. My choice of 223 or 22-250 is because if I have to I can run down to Walmart on Sunday morning and get ammo. Not so with many other calibers. I haven't seen a 22 Hornet in years and 222 is not readily available to me on a moments notice.
 
First let me say, "I'm not a hunter!", now having said that, let me ask a question. Is it legal to hunt deer with a 223, or a 22-250? IIRC, some states require minimum of 23 cal for medium size game (Deer) and 25 cal. for big game (Elk).

It is legal in more states than not to hunt deer with a .22 caliber centerfire. I've never heard of a state requiring a .25 caliber for elk. This attached list is on another forum but the only thing I have to say is Colorado requires an 80 grain or heavier bullet for elk and moose.

Alabama- centerfire
Alaska- centerfire
Alberta- .23 and up centerfire
Arizona- centerfire
Arkansas- .22 and up centerfire
California- centerfire
Colorado- .24 and up, 70grn or larger bullet/ minimum of 1000ft/lbs at 100 yards
Connecticut- .243 and up if legal in your area
Delaware- shotgun/muzzle loader
Florida- centerfire
Georgia- .22 and up centerfire
Hawaii- Any rifle with at least 1200 ft/lbs of ME. This would start at around .223 I think
Idaho- Centerfire (cannot weigh more than 16 lbs?)
Illinois- Shotgun/ML/Pistol only
Indiana- Rifles with pistol calibers/shotgun/ML/Pistols
Iowa- .24 or larger centerfire only for antlerless season in part of the state.
Kansas- .23 or larger centerfire (actually says larger than .23 so maybe .24 is the mininum)
kentucky- centerfire
Louisiana- .22 and up centerfire
Maine- .22 magnum rimfire and up!
Manitoba- Centerfire, but it says .23 and below not recommended. Does not say illegal though.
Maryland- ME of at least 1200 ft/lbs
Mass- Shotgun/ML
Michigan- centerfire in certain areas
Minnesota- .24 and up centerfire
Mississippi- No restrictions that I could find
Missouri- centerfire
Montana- No restrictions
Nebraska- Rifles with 900 ft/lbs or more at 100 yards
Nevada- .22 centerfire and up
New Hampshire- centerfire
New Jersey- shotgun only
New Mexico- centerfire
New York- centerfire
North Carolina- No restrictions
North Dakota- .22-.49 centerfire
Nova Scotia- .23 and up
Ohio- Shotgun/ML
Oklahoma- centerfire with 55 grn or heavier bullet
Ontario- centerfire
Oregon- .22 centerfire and up
Pennsylvania- centerfire
Quebec- 6mm/.243 and up
Rhode Island- shotgun/ML
Saskatchewan- .24 and up
South Carolina- centerfire
South Dakota- rifles with 1,000 ft/lbs or more ME
Tennessee- centerfire
Texas- centerfire
Utah- centerfire
vermont- No restriction
Virginia- .23 centerfire and up
Washington- .24 centerfire and up
West Virginia- .25 rimfire and up and all centerfire
Wisconsin- .22 centerfire and up
Wyoming- .23 centerfire and up
 
KMAX:

When I hunted prairie dogs in Arizona I used both the 223 and the 22-250. I shot with the 223 early in the morning until the wind started blowing and drifting my bullets, at witch time I shot the 22-250 until around noon when the wind blew so hard that neither caliber would hit dogs at 300 yards.

Semper Fi.

Gunnery sergeant
Clifford L. Hughes
USMC Retired
 
It's been a little while since this discussion came up. This thread just morphed into it. Don't break the law, but—anyone with any real world experience will know that a .223 will nail a moose to the floor with a solid head shot. There isn't any game it will not take. it will take African lion, polar bear anything. They are all just flesh and bone. Don't try to shoot anything bigger than a coyote in the boiler room, it will not work quick enough. But good, well placed head shots—anything.

Watch how quick this thread gets closed.
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It's been a little while since this discussion came up. This thread just morphed into it. Don't break the law, but—anyone with any real world experience will know that a .223 will nail a moose to the floor with a solid head shot. There isn't any game it will not take. it will take African lion, polar bear anything. They are all just flesh and bone. Don't try to shoot anything bigger than a coyote in the boiler room, it will not work quick enough. But good, well placed head shots—anything.

Watch how quick this thread gets closed.
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There is what can be done and what should be done. I do like to take head shots when I can but I wouldn't want to have to rely on them as my only option.

Now, back to the OPs question. I am partial to the 22-250 but inside of 200 yards on paper and varmints, the 223 is plenty. As already stated, it also has the advantage of longer barrel life, less heat, and cheaper ammo, especially if you don't reload.
 
@SRH78
There is what can be done and what should be done.
Yes, and then there is what must be done.

My point is, there isn't anything inside of 200 yards that it couldn't do. Whether the circumstances permit (absence of charging African lion) or whether the rifleman is up to the task is an entirely different matter.
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This thread isn't here to discuss the capabilities/incapabilities of .223/.22-250 on elk, African game, or any other big animal. The OP was specific on his questions and provided information on what he intends to use on larger game. Let's stick to the topic at hand.

KMAX,
At 200yds, I'd stick with .223. You'll find ammo galore for it from your local gun shops to online stores. Accuracy difference is just the same as .22-250 at that distance for the purposes you state.
 
KMAX,
I was in a similar situation about 1 year ago when deciding between the .223 and .22-250 in a Remington 700. I also shoot paper targets between 100-200 yards but I bought the .22-250 for the following reasons:

1) I reload and all my rifle calibers use large rifle primers
2) Seems like everyone I know has a .223
3) More velocity
4) My research at the time points to the .22-250 as the preferred varmint cartridge to reach out further and touch the critters more accurately.

Good luck with your search and let us know what you decide on.
 
I have both 223 and 22-250
For punching paper at 200 yards I would opt for a 223,less recoil longer barrel life and factory ammo everywhere for the 223.
 
I knew I had twin somewhere, TWINS just put it in the table like I will.

If you can get a heavy barrel and you won't be dissatisfied
 
Taylorce,

Good list, thanks, like I said "I'm not a hunter"....

Not being a hunter, I have been know to send way too much (time & money) too get an extra "X" or "V"...:)
 
.223 will suit you for shooting paper/varmits at 200 yards.The .223 is also a bit quieter than the 22-250. I prefer the 22-250 cause I tend to shoot at varmits a little further out than 200 yards. I also come across hogs/goats when varmit shooting & the 22-250 does better on mid sized game than the .223 in my experience. The 22-250 will wear out barrels quicker than a .223, but nothing much to worry about. I did end up replacing the barrel on my Sako 22-250 but the original barrel lasted 25 years.
 
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