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BeachHead

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Anyone here familiar with the 2000 Round Challenge? I saw this on another forum -- "a pistol must fire 2000 rounds without any cleaning or maintenance or additional lubrication without any stoppages, malfunctions or breakages to qualify as having met the 2000 Round Challenge".

The idea is that upon successful completion, a pistol is deemed reliable enough for SD purposes. As much as I hate the thought of a dirty gun, I'm thinking about trying it. I'm curious if any of you have done the same. Does this test seem like a bit much?
 
It kind of seems like overkill to me. I definitely feel running a significant number of rounds, especially what you're gonna be carrying, through it to prove reliability is basically a must. However, nobody should be carrying a handgun that hasn't been cleaned in 2000 rounds. I would only carry a relatively clean gun to trust my life with, test or not. I think if you can get a couple hundred rounds of whatever load(s) you plan on carrying in it to function with no hiccups, that should be enough. Then clean it before you carry it. I can't imagine any normal civilian SD scenario where you would be using your own gun that has not had a chance to be cleaned after several hundred rounds. Others may have different opinions though.
 
Of course I agree with you in that no one should depend on a gun that hasn't been cleaned or at least oiled in 2000 rounds. I'm thinking that those who partook in the challenge had multiple pistols, and, while putting their test gun through the 2000 rounds of abuse, relied on another sidearm for CC or home defense.
 
Humm... 2,000 rounds of self defense ammunition? 20 rounds per box, times about $27.00 per box, let's see...

20 x $27.00 x 100 = Humm.. Over a hundred bucks anyway. I sure can't afford that!

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I fire all of my SD weapons for thousands of rounds each year, just to maintain my proficiency, but I see absolutely no good reason to fire that many rounds without cleaning. What does it prove?

How many people, even in the military in a combat zone, ever go that long without cleaning their handguns? And why would any civilian let his weapon go that long between cleanings? It's stupid.

Imposing this sort of of aritificial hurdle to prove the supposed reliability of a self defense pistol makes no sense to me. It's irrelevant to real world usage.

Just my two cents worth.
 
Looks kinda goofy of me writing responses immediately after a new post pops up, but it's my day off and I'm waiting for the clothes to come outta the dryer, so I'm glued to TFL and youtube.

Anyway...

Humm... 2,000 rounds of self defense ammunition? 20 rounds per box, times about $27.00 per box, let's see...

20 x $27.00 x 100 = Humm.. Over a hundred bucks anyway. I sure can't afford that!
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Me neither, buddy. But we can dream, right?

Sorry, shoulda stated more of the challenge's particulars, but felt lazy and wasn't sure if a copy/paste job would get this thread closed.

In this challenge, shooters may use a combination of whatever ammo they want (WWB, Tula, handloads, Federal HST, whatever). I can see the merit in shooters using the crummiest ammo to prove a point that their test guns can eat anything. Conversely, I see the point in using premium JHPs to prove "My M&P9 is absolutely flawless when paired with 147-gr Ranger T's" or something to that effect. There is no time table.

I guess the test is kinda open-ended. Can your SD gun consecutively fire 2000 miscellaneous rounds without incident?
 
Imposing this sort of of artificial hurdle to prove the supposed reliability of a self defense pistol makes no sense to me. It's irrelevant to real world usage.
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Point taken, my friend. And I agree with you, it's unrealistic. I just thought it'd be fun... bragging rights and all. :)
 
Humm... 2,000 rounds of self defense ammunition? 20 rounds per box, times about $27.00 per box, let's see...

20 x $27.00 x 100 = Humm.. Over a hundred bucks anyway. I sure can't afford that!
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Me neither, buddy. But we can dream, right?
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That equation works out to $54,000. ...But it's incorrect. The cost would be $2,700 (plus tax).
 
The question would be are these 2000 rounds in one sitting or over a period of time? ( weeks ? ) I'd think 2000 in one sitting would be better because the dirt would not have a chance to dry / harden. However will the gun be given a chance to cool off a bit from time to time?

Guns at a rental counter would be a good starting point to select a good one.
 
If you shoot any gun for any amount of time no matter what the quality, malfunctions are inherent. I've fired many different types of pistols and rifles professionally over a long military and leo career and have yet to find one that is absolutely malfunction free. It just doesn't exist. However, it does sound like a cool test in general just to see who goes the farthest without cleaning and I certainly believ it will instill confidence in your weapon system!
 
That equation works out to $54,000. ...But it's incorrect. The cost would be $2,700 (plus tax).
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Good eye. Didn't catch that.

The question would be are these 2000 rounds in one sitting or over a period of time? ( weeks ? )
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The stipulations don't indicate a time period. Some shooters reached 2000 rounds within a week. Others took a few months. Completing the test in one session would be pretty neat. Don't know about other guns, but my Glock, when using a thumbs-forward grip, gets pretty damned hot after 200 rounds.
 
ChileVerde, I agree malfunctions WILL happen. On this particular forum I visited, numerous members stated they shot an EXCESS of 2000 trouble-free rounds through their stellar P2000s, P229s, etc.

It's the internet, so I wonder how much of this is true and how much was embellished, ignoring the occasional FTF and omitting it from the final results. I'm sure it's possible, but maybe a little luck had something to do with it as well? If I had a gun that surpassed the challenge, hell yeah I'd have confidence in it, too. Pistol-training.com did a 6 month/60,000 round torture test on an M&P9 a little while ago. Just sayin'.
 
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