1911 Upgrade Suggestions

Roland Thunder

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I have a Springfield Armory 9mm Loaded Target Stainless Government Model 1911. I have the itch to do some upgrades to it. I have already put a fiber optic front site on it and had a trigger job done to it (3.5#). Can you suggest some other upgrades that I can do myself without having to take it to a gunsmith, I can't afford to spend a lot of $$ doing this.

Thanks again
 
What is the gun FOR?
I use mine for IDPA where a mag well funnel is a big help, as is a taller "tactical" magazine catch.

After that, the upgrade curve gets $teep.
 
I would say with 1911s, once you have Cooper's 3 fundamental changes (sights you can see, a decent trigger, and dehorning) which it sounds like you do that there's nothing else you need to do unless you find some aspect of the gun problematic for your personal use.

So how much have you shot it, and what did you like or dislike?
 
If the gun is reliable and shoots to POA I'd spend the money available on reloading supplies with the goal of making myself better, the operator wielding the tool is more important than the tool itself. One relatively inexpensive upgrade which you may want to consider are the grips.
If you have any control issues with the loads you shoot a set of more aggressive grips can help. Also, a good set of shooting gloves can improve your grip alone or with new grips. I bought a pair of shooting gloves from Cabelas' years ago. They are good thin leather so I retain my sense of feel and as an added bonus make great ATV and motorcycle riding gloves during good weather.
 
I briefly had a Loaded Target 9mm, and it was a pretty nice gun, out of the box.
I would have modded exactly like the OP, with a (narrow) fiber-optic front sight and trigger job. I did exactly that to the Range Officer I got a few years later.
A magwell funnel is an easy upgrade, and worthwhile if you're doing speed reloads.
Hogue makes some cool grip panels combined with a mainspring housing that forms a magwell. They come in lots of different colors and textures.
https://www.hogueinc.com/grips/1911/gov/g10/magrip-kits
There are little things that I always do to a new 1911, like test extractor tension, inspect the finish on the disconnector rail, breechface, barrel throat and feedramp, but I try to resist the urge to mess with any of it if the gun is running right!
In my experience (as an observer), 9mm 1911s are finicky with ammo and mags, so I'd put reliability at the top of the list of priorities.
 
I find a Mag Well / Speed Chute ...something I really like on my 1911's.../ especially on a gun I use even for casual competition among my buddies. Lack of a speed chute on some of my other 1911's ...causes me to fumble a speed reload once in a while.

Maybe an Ambi-Safety if you don't have one now...

Depending on what guide rod the gun has in it now...I like a full length guide rod / either a 2 piece or 1 piece - depends on your own preference. Its controversial, but I think it makes the gun run a little smoother.
 
Wellsaid,USMC.

There is something basic about the 1911 you should understand before you change anything.
The 1911 is an old gun from another era of production and quality.
Do you know how the locking lug surfaces were fitted to mate?Firing the proof rounds crunched them in.
Today'd production 1911 might be assembled from parts in one facility to function and go out the door,but when you buy "upgrade" parts,they have to work in old warhorses,new clones,etc.Its just not usually possible to make parts that drop in to everything.
A 1911 is built by establishing a series of relationships between parts.
Slide to frame,barrel to slide,barrel to slide stop/frame,etc.Each one is built on the other.

Sure,you can,if you know what you are doing,replace one part,but you have to re-establish,at least check,the relationships with every other part it touches.
I would not count on a mainspring housing to fit.Changing a simple trigger,to a longer trigger will take fitting,and the grip safety is one relationship in that chain..So is the sear spring.
Fit a grip safety some day!!
Change a sear spring and tune all the tension relationships.

If you have something that works....tinker,ot tamper,with reluctance,unless you want to commit to learning the gun.
I do not use mag wells.But I do chamfer my mag wells so no edges bind on the way in,and the mag finds its way in easier.
 
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A few things I've done to my match pistol is:
Adding a small mag well, the kind with ears that fit over the lower grip panel screw bushings.
Steel backed rubber grips with a cut out for reaching the mag release easier.
An extended mag release.
And a Cylinder and Slide ambi mag release, 'cause sometimes releasing the mag with the trigger finger is desirable.
All the above are easily done yourself and not expensive.
 
A magwell and maybe some grips. Outside of that, you should tread carefully with 1911 mods. It's very easy to get carried away and turn the pistol into a jam-o-matic.
 
I find a Mag Well / Speed Chute ...something I really like on my 1911's.../ especially on a gun I use even for casual competition among my buddies. Lack of a speed chute on some of my other 1911's ...causes me to fumble a speed reload once in a while.

Maybe an Ambi-Safety if you don't have one now...

Depending on what guide rod the gun has in it now...I like a full length guide rod / either a 2 piece or 1 piece - depends on your own preference. Its controversial, but I think it makes the gun run a little smoother.

A maxwell is a great idea. I really love 1911s with an ambi safety too. I'm a lefty but I think they just look better with an ambi.

With all due respect to Jim, I think a FLGR is simply a solution in search of a problem. It adds a step in take down and I believe my Springfield TRP ran with a GI plug and rod.

The only upgrade my TRP needed was removing the FLGR! :)
 
....or the Springfield SS 7td mags! They're some of the best! ...or Checkmate 8rd extended mags.

Fitting a Kart EZ Fit barrel may get you better accuracy, but I would determine if you need that first.

I always find a 1000 end case of ammo to be a real upgrade.
 
Nice post USMC...and I agree with all but the gloves, but you've tweaked my interest with your comments on ATV/MC use; both of which I'm involved in. I've spent considerable time learning a variety of operating systems, (DA/SA, SA only, DA only etc.) Maybe it's time I spent some effort with gloves on, as I use them 4 months of the year.

For the OP, I'd also suggest some training as a good use for his funds, if he's never taken a good defensive hand gun course. Practice is great, but only if it's 'good' practice which follows proper technique etc.

Best Regards, Rod
 
Be careful what you ask for. Changes, even done properly to get everything to function correctly, are just that - it's now something different to get used to.

Mag release? Browning designed it for combat use, with only one or two additional magazines on hand. It is already sufficiently proud to operate with familiarity. But, adding height can make it more readily accessible for some. It's doesn't make it more tactical, tho, as the taller mag releases have a disadvantage - getting bumped in the holster causes them to release the mag, and on the draw you discover you have a one shot wonder with the mag lying on the ground. This happens in matches, too.

Browning knew what he was doing when he made the mag catch the height he did. Making it taller to have more malfunctions is not really "tactical" in that light, and goes to the overuse of the word for marketing hype. A tall mag release is for competitive use only - it's less tactical.

Mag well funnel? Again, the gun was meant to be used with the basic load of ammo, which was three magazines on the soldier, which was the standard up to 1985. Carrying the M9, I got one in the gun and one on the belt on patrol. Since the mag well funnel assists in rapidly reloading, that usually happens when a large quantity of ammo is needed - competition. Not daily carry. Ok if you plan to have dozens of magazines on hand with you, but it has to be asked, if you need that much ammo, what you really need is a 30 round magazine and the carbine to shoot it if self defense is the goal. Which is exactly what MP's and Marines issue under the circumstances, not a limited range, low power, and "restricted" capacity handgun.

it goes to all the "improvements" we see being touted as embellishments for competition much more than daily carry. If that is the point, by all means, improve away. However, the thing that most of the older shooters have learned is that the need has to be there - it's a known issue by having experienced it, and there is no other remedy.

Keep in mind that competition shooting introduces the time requirement - the lower amount of time to execute the shot is generally scored higher. In real life, tho, it implies you are rapidly acquiring targets - live human beings - and reflexively shooting each and every one with no regard for who they are. That doesn't happen - there are no zombies, and bikers almost never bust down your door. Unless, of course, you seduced one of their women who stole their stash of retail drugs.

Nope, what most of us have to do, and are required by law to consider, is if that live human being is actually a lethal threat to you. In the (non) typical instance you are in a large body of people shopping or watching a movie, the sudden presentation of a lethal threat banging away with their firearm is going to be complicated by dozens of panicked citizens fleeing - and they won't have any rhyme or reason in which direction they go. They will be in your line of sight, but they are NOT targets, and they are ALL "no-shoot" decision.

You only have one target out there under the circumstances - how is a flared mag well and ten magazines really going to help? Likely all that is a waste of resources. The money should have gone to training for a mass shooter, not a race gun modification for carry.

I say all this not because the OP was asking about what to improve on his carry gun, but because there is a myth that any competitive improvement for a gun automatically has value in a defensive firearm. And nothing could be further from the truth. The reality is that a tightly fitted precision 1911 with all the race gun parts on it is a bear to draw, as all the proud sharp accessories hang up on clothing. They cause failure, not success. The money spent on them is wasted effort - and yet we do see thousands of gun owners doing this. If anything it's the bulk of the 1911 market right now, ostentatious race guns with exotic parts. They are NOT combat oriented as Browning and the Army intended.

Improvements for competition are one thing, and valid if and when someone has shot the gun for months and finally approached a plateau where specific issues can be identified. As for "I want to improve it" before that, it's basically an aesthetic decision, and the result is really intended to make the owner look better. For the most part, a lot of high end gun owners need a lot more time to be able to shoot the gun as well as it's really capable. Same as guys who buy knives used by the Navy SEALS - most aren't even SCUBA certified, what do they know about underwater knife fighting? :rolleyes:

Be careful what you ask for.
 
Over time, I've definitely become a minimalist.
I used to ask, "What mods can I make", but now, it's more like, "Did that mod really pay off in better performance?
I've had adjustable sights installed on three guns, but today, I wouldn't even have the slide machined for replacement sights; I can see through a fixed sight in the G.I. dovetail just as well as any other sight.
I've used three or four different beavertails, but today, I just trim the G.I. grip safety to the original M1911 dimensions; higher grip, and gets rid of the sharp edges.
I added an oversized mag button on one of my guns, but all it did was increase the likelihood that I'd miss the stock buttons on my other guns.
 
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