1911 linkless barrel system

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aztec777

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I tried this over on the Smithy, but got no response. So I'll try it here. I am looking at a Peters-Stahl linkless barrel system for a 1911 frame. Bull barrel fitted to the slide, fitted bushing, target sights, polygonal rifling, and it needs fitting to the frame. It is NIB and the price sure seems right. Any opinions or experiences?

Steve
 
It seems very likely that no one responded because no one has had any experience with that system. I am not active in gunsmithing any more, and I have never seen one except for pictures in a gunzine article a while back. Perhaps this was an idea whose time came and went or is yet to come. If you like it buy it; you will probably have something few others have.

Jim
 
Mr. Keenan-I can understand your point. I believe that this system is the one Springfield uses on their Omega line. The idea of a Browning Hi Power type upper on my 1911 is certainly appealing to me. Hopefully I can find someone with experience here. Thanks.

Steve
 
Aztec,

I think I saw an article in a gun mag a few years ago about that barrel. Isn't like the Sig series of barrels, but made for a 1911? From what I remember, it was reliable and extremely accurate in the one that was evaluated. Expensive too. Had not been out long enough to be road tested. I'd like to get more information on this too. From what you say, it must have a specially made slide? Is this true? Is the barrel ramped and fully supported? I guess we both need to do a search on it. If I find anything, I'll report back to you. Please let us know if you find anything too. Thanks

robert

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"But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip; and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." -Jesus Christ (Luke 22:36, see John 3:15-18)
 
Aztec,

I'm guessing that you found it here, but if not this is the link www.m1911.org/mod-stah.htm

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"But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip; and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." -Jesus Christ (Luke 22:36, see John 3:15-18)



[This message has been edited by EQUALIZER (edited February 08, 2000).]
 
Take a look at the bbl locking system of the HK USP series (full size), and you will see how it works. I have never fired 1911 equipped with such system, but in theory at least it should be an imporvement over standard. Feed ramp on the bbl, external extractor and all.
 
Equalizer-That's not where I found the upper, but thanks for pointing me in that direction. The unit I saw did have a fully supported chamber and was ramped. The upper was hand fitted to the slide so I wouldn't have to worry about finding any additional parts. I do know that the frame would require some minor machining and extensive fitting for a correct installation. I'm really getting excited about this setup and will probably end up buying this unit. I'm currently in the process of researching this system and I plan on posting my findings here, so keep on the look out.

Glockgazda-I have owned an HK and it did seem very similar in design and would assume that they also functioned similarly.
 
Aztec777,

Just a couple more questions. Do you know if they use a propriatary slide, or just a normal 1911 slide? Also, does this manufacturer/smith recommend home cast reloads w/his barrel? Just wondering because of the KB concern w/polygonal Glock barrels, (although lack of chamber support is another reason for KB w/Glocks I think). I'd like to find someone who sells this barrel, but I already have a new slide and custom milling done.

robert

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"But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip; and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." -Jesus Christ (Luke 22:36, see John 3:15-18)
 
Equalizer-The barrel does require machining and fitting to its own slide. I wouldn't fire cast bullets through this setup anyway and I don't think it's recommended. I have learned, from a TFL member that had this setup, that it has dual extractors and has the capability to change calibers. 10mm, 38 Super, 45acp, and maybe others, the front sight is interchangeable, and came ported as an option. You may want to call Springfield Armory. I think they still make the Omega line as a custom order and would probably have these barrels available.

Steve
 
I've shot both and am generally unimpressed. Originally Peters-Stahl tried to market the system here without much sucess. Then Springfield Inc. took it on as the Omega.

While the linkless system is interesting it really doesn't improve anything. It's true that with the Springfield you could switch calibers but accuracy didn't seem to be any better... and was sometimes worse.

The comparison with H&K is good, because the idea was that the recoil spring guide took the place of the link as the bottom lockup. The problem was that it really wasn't any tighter than a standard barrel so accuracy really wasn't a big deal.

I think that the slides of the Omega were specific (it's been a long time) and actually used the forward edge of the ejection port for the top lockup. I think the earlier versions used the standard slide though. Really cold be either way.

The biggest complaint I had about the Omega was that you couldn't keep a front sight on it. The front sight used a set screw to- in theory you could interchange them- but unless you locktited the thing it wanted to fly away.

I did shoot some lead bullets through it without problems.

hope this helps.
 
Hmmm... If I remember correctly, I believe that Jarvis Gunsmith makes a linkless 1911 system... You might want to try to call them and ask.. Then you could also compare prices... I believe that their phone number is 406.961.4392...
 
hope this is pertinent info... Fred Craig is offering a fixed barrel, gas operated 1911 built on Caspian frame and slide. Scan is from ad in Am Handgunner... sorry for poor quality.

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Craig built a conventional barreled 1911 Caspian racegun for me about 2 years ago, in 38 Super. Well built and very accurate.


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I called Caspian custom shop and they said that Peters-Stahl took legal action against them for patent infringments or something like that 9 or 10 years ago, so they stoped production and no longer offer the parts.

I talked to Fred Craig as well and he said that you can not use unplated lead bullets in his Vortek. It does look like one awesome pistol though.

Jwong,

I'll check w/Jarvis. Thanks for the number. Now that you mentioned it, they were the ones that a gun writer did a review on a few years back.

Thanks Aztec777

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"But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip; and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." -Jesus Christ (Luke 22:36, see John 3:15-18)
 
Brownell's now has a linkless barrel for the 1911 type. I only got a glimpse of it in their new catalog (somebody else's copy - mine hasn't come in yet), and don't know who makes it, but it should be on their site.

Jim
 
Jarvis has a web site here:
http://www.jarvis-custom.com/

Springfield Armory does not make or distribute the OMEGA line anymore. they will not work on one that has been "broken", but have given the owner of an OMEGA the opportunity to receive an M1 for a trade. nice guys!

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Mik

<A HREF="http://"http://marina.fortunecity.com/harbour/347/10mm.html"" TARGET=_blank>my 10mm page</A>
 
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