1911 Bullseye Gun

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Several years ago, I bought a Springfield Armory "Loaded" 1911. It is a POS. It wasn't accurate out of the box. A friend offered to let me try his Bar Sto barrel out of his same model gun. I put it in and voila, cut the group size by about 75%. He mentioned that he had another one he would sell me, so I bought it. It was not a drop in fit, so I had a local guy who was supposed to have been an armor for the US Army pistol team fit it for me. He did a lousy job. Now the slide doesn't go into battery about half the time. I thought it might wear in so I fired about 1000 rounds through it, no dice. So it has sat in my safe ever since.
I am now thinking about sending it away to have it turned into a bullseye gun. I don't shoot bullseye mainly because I know of no where around here that holds formal bullseye matches. Never the less, I want a bullseye pistol. What gunsmiths do the serious competitors use ? What work do they have done ? How much does something like this cost ?
I checked out the Clark page, they don't give a whole lot of information but it appears that the accuracy work isn't all that expensive. But then I need the sights and trigger work................ Help would be appreciated.
 
Rock River arms has gotten some good buzz on the various forums. About 1,800 bucks for a top-ender like the Limited Match with a 1.5"@50yard guarantee. Long waiting list from what I hear, though.

Don't know if you really need more accuracy than that. I can't vouch for them beyond what I've read on various forums though. Much as I'd like a match 1911, money's tight right now.

http://www.rockriverarms.com/pistols/default.htm
 
GSB, thanks for the reply, but I want to have my Springfield turned into a bullseye gun. I believe you are talking about buying a whole new gun. One of the purposes of this is to take a gun that is lying in my safe that I never shoot and turn it into something that I would really enjoy.
 
Have a gunsmith install a Bo-Mar adjustable rear sight (I prefer the low-mount version) and have Bar-Sto fit a barrel. You can either swap parts around or have a gunsmith tune the trigger for a good pull. Then, you'll be in top competition before you can shoot better than that gun will deliver! Cost shouldn't exceed $300 - $350. Any additional tuning and you can do it yourself!
 
Oops. Sorry, I misread your inquiry. As Homer Simpson would say, "D'oh".

BTW, looks like I'm going to be moving out to Pahrump myself in a few months (South of Gamebird Rd, which I guess is getting about as far south as there is to get in Pahrump). Beautiful country out there.
 
I'm not a bullseye shooter. but do have experience with accurizing a Loaded model.

I had a stainless loaded model that had similar accuracy problems out of the box. In fact, I've owned a couple and they're all the same - the barrel is fitted loosely and when in battery you can push the barrel hood all over the place (maybe .020 or so down and .010 left to right. This plays heck with the accuracy as the barrel isn't in the same place every time the slide cycles. Mine were "5 of 7" guns - ie 5 shots would group nicely with 2 flyers. As the gun heated up they would become 4 of 7 guns (the barrel fit would loosen as it warmed up). Installing a longer link tightened the groups a bit, but you don't want the barrel riding on the link alone if you expect it to last very long!

At any rate I bought a Nowlin drop in barrel and the gun tightened right up. Wasn't a perfect drop in fit but it was close. Had a smith put the finishing touches on it.

To get ultimate accuracy, the barrel must fit up perfectly into the slide, and the lugs must ride perfectly over the SS pin. I can't say whether or not the original fit job on your barrel is still workable by a good smith or if it is ruined from overcutting. Since it is too tight I'd say there is hope. He may not have done all that bad a job. Just a couple of file swipes or some polishing/lapping in the right place could cure your problem. You may want to give the guy another chance at making it run, as he may have left it a touch too tight on purpose, expecting it to break in (as you did).

I will say this. I have several guns that are loose frame to slide, and have a great barrel fit, and they are really accurate. It's all in fitting that barrel. So find the right guy to fit it and it will be very very accurate.

FWIW most bullseye shooters do go to an adjustable site like the Bomar (recommended above) so they can dial in to their most accurate load. You may have trouble getting regulated to the fixed Novaks on your gun, as bullseye loads can be "powder puff" loads with different trajectories than full power loads that you're sited in for now.

BTW I have a couple of RR's mentioned above with the 1-1/2" 50 yd guarantee and they really shoot. Buy one if you can - it's worth the wait. Chuck really knows how to make a gun accurate.

Since you're in Nevada, you might want to check out Cylinder and Slide to fit your barrel. Maybe Chuck Larson at Rock River would take a look at it (don't know if they work on others' makes), or Brown or Heinie or Wilson's. Check with local bullseye shooters to see who they use for a local source.
 
HI
Noticed your post try Mr Hamiliton at Ten- Ring Precision.
I have spoken to Alex several times very nice and helpful.
He is an older "Smith" that us to make competition guns when this type of shooting was popular. He is quite reasonable and has a fast turn around. He is also one of 50 in the American Pistolsmiths Guild members. You can find his link on the American Pistolsmiths Guild page.

DJ.
 
David, thank you, that is exactly what I was looking for. The name of a smith that does Bullseye guns. I will check him out.

"He is an older "Smith" that us to make competition guns when this type of shooting was popular. "

So a lot of shooters are surprised to find that bullseye, three-gun or conventional pistol, whatever name you choose, is still the most popular of the pistol-shooting games.
Today the NRA has 42,000 classified bullseye shooters nationwide, and that's not counting the thousands of competitors who compete in unsanctioned matches.
 
444

Your correct bullseye is still very popular the quote was taken from a couple of smiths. They advised cowboy action is the hot item that is taking up most of their time.
I noticed your quite active on the boards have you found Bullseyepistol.com. If not look under the heading "tools of the trade" theres a good article regarding what pistol smiths do to 45 to make it into a bullseye pistol by Larry Leutengger.
Have you seen the new Pardini 45 pistol on Nygord
Precision Products web page?

DJ.
 
444

Your correct bullseye is still very popular the quote was taken from a couple of smiths. They advised cowboy action is the hot item that is taking up most of their time.
I noticed you are active on the boards have you found Bullseyepistol.com. If not look under the heading "tools of the trade" theres a good article regarding what pistol smiths do to 45 to make it into a bullseye pistol by Larry Leutengger.
Have you seen the new Pardini 45 pistol on Nygord
Precision Products web page?

DJ.
 
Yes, when I started researching this, I found the Bullseye Pistol webpage. I read the article by Larry Leutengger. He clearly states that it is important to have a bullseye gun built by a guy that has experience shooting bullseye. He impressed me, but unfortunatly he doesn't mention how to contact himself.
 
Bullseye 1911

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My vote goes to Clark Custom Guns. They rebuilt a Kimber Classic Stainless for me last summer and its accuracy is unbelievable.

They build bullseye guns and have been building and customizing 1911's for over 50 years. They are great people to deal with and their turnaround time is not bad. They had my gun back to me in 50 days and it was a total custom job. I don't think you would be disapointed in their work.:)
 
I'll second the nod to Clark Custom Guns. I just got a Colt Gov't that had been tweaked for Bullseye by Jim Clark Sr. in '58. The fitting is outstanding, as is the accuracy. I haven't seen any guns turned out by Jim Clark Jr., But I'd say the family knows a bit about 1911's. Their prices seem reasonable, too (though I do wish they'd honor their 1958 prices - all the work done to my gun cost the previous owner the princely sum of $115)
vanfunk
 
I'll third the nod

Clark did a 1911A1 for my father in the 70s. Incredible shooting gun. Unfortunately, I have an older brother who made off with it when my father passed...
 
Clark was the first place I thought about. His prices certainly seem reasonable and the reputation of Clarks is certainly unmatched. The one thing that was worrying me is that article on bullseyepistol.com talks about how important it is to have a bullseye shooter do the trigger. I don't know if those guys shoot bullseye. I know Jerry, Kay, and Jim Jr. are very big in the action games but Jim Sr. was the bulleye guru. I guess this is all silly. I probably will never shoot in a real bullseye match. I just have always wanted a full blown bullseye gun just because. And as long as I am spending the money I wanted the best one I could get. I would imagine that Clarks is as good as they come.
 
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I understand your last post. I have a Clark Gamemaster that was done by Clark Sr. I have several other custom guns and by far the Clark is the best of them. If you want a Clark go for one of Clark Sr. older wadcutter guns. The wadcutter was set up for bullseye shooting in the first place. Have you looked at Jim Rose or Mr Marvel both have a good bullseye back ground.

DJ.
 
Have fun with this...sounds like a great adventure in the making......Clark can and does continue to do fine work on all kinds of guns...From 1911s to Ruger 22, 10/22, and Ranch rifles...they will make you happy...if you'll let them.

My old Smith revolvers have been in for all kinds of work there as well...I can assure you the triggers they produce will be to your satisfaction...Luck
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I thought of another link for you to check...

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BULLSEYESHOOTERS/
 
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"I don't know if those guys shoot bullseye. I know Jerry, Kay, and Jim Jr. are very big in the action games but Jim Sr. was the bulleye guru."

Ahh, I think I have an idea.
 
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