1891 Argentine Mauser ??

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Could you guys please explain to me. We are looking at an 1891 Loewe Argentine Mauser. While closing the bolt it cocks the firing pin back. Question is when you open the bolt back up it uncocks or releases the firing pin.
Is this correct?
With a fired round (empty case) no problem but if an unfired round is being removed from the chamber this action doesnt seem safe? The firing pin sticking out against the live round?
thanks ahead of time~!
 
Yes,,, it's normal for your 91 argyie to operate this way it's called a "cock on closing " action/bolt.
Most small ring Mausers are cock on closing and the large ring mausers ( mod 98's) are normally cock on opening.
nothing to worry about it's how they are designed to work..
good shooting...:D
 
Thanks for the reply.
its the decocking upon opening the bolt that has me concerned. Especially if your removing a live round.
 
It is safe. I have one that I picked up cheep because it was Bubbad.
I was originally hoping to to find an original stock for it but I don't think that will happen.
The Argentine Mauser is one of the best small ring Mausers out there.
I use mine for Hog and deer hunting it is a great accurate little rifle.
Mine is the carbine and at 50 and 100 yards it is dead on.
I use it more then my 30-30. It is a great gun.

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Your bubb'd Argy looks just like mine,... accept you have a rear sight.

I wonder is the XS peep sight with work with the standard front sight height? Any ideas? Might be neat dressed in a scout setup.
 
Gents, If you want to mount a peep sight on one of those old rifles the procedure is actually fairly easy.

1st, mount the rear sight with super glue. This allows you to move it a bit and make sure you have it square and level. If not, break it loose and try again. Get it glued into place where you want it before you do anything else.
Now, take a #28 drill and go through the mounting holes and spot the receiver. Only drill as deep as the bevel of the bit. You only want "pits" from the #28
Next drill through the pits with a #31. This is your root drill. Now you can tap the holes to cut your threads.
Then you need only sock down the 6X48 screws that hold the sight on.

Now, take the highest front sight ramp you can buy and fit it to the barrel. Use solder not screws. The reason is that a soldered joint can be moved. Set you rear peep in the center of its windage range. Cut a spot on the rear edge of the ramp so you can see it from the rear, as you look through the peep. This will act as an aiming point.

Next go to a range and shoot a BIG target, and see if you are on for windage. Take a propane torch and a clamp with you. Fire a shot or 2.
If the windage is off place the clamp on the sight and barrel so it's held in place. Heat the barrel up until the solder melts. Gently tap the sight so the spot goes toward your bullet holes. (if the rifle shoots left move the top of the ramp to the left) You are only interested in windage at this point. Don't worry about elevation at all. Let the thing cool and fire again. You want to get the front sight centered to a place it's close to zeroed for windage when the rear adjustment is in the middle of its range.

When you get it there you can then make a temporary front sight out of bondo. This is the way you find what elevation you will need when the rear peep sight is all the way to the bottom of its travel.

In the best cases the ramp is so high even the top of it would be higher than the tip of the blade and that causes the rifle to shoot low. In that case you can carefully cut a blade out of the sight ramp itself to get the rifle zeroed.
Zero at 100 yards.
When you rifle is zeroed measure from the top of the temporary front sight to the bottom of the barrel.
When you get the rifle zeroed to your satisfaction you buy a dovetailed bead or blade of your liking. Measure the sight itself from the TOP of the dovetail to the TOP of the bead or blade.
Now cut off the ramp and file it flat so the top of the ramp will be at the height of the TOP of the dovetail on your front sight. You will be able to know exactly how much to cut the ramp down because you have the measurement from the top of the temp front sight to the bottom of the barrel. You want the top of the ramp to be at the top of the sight dovetail so the overall height of the sight and ramp will be the same as the one you made as a temporary.

Then all you need to do is cut a female dovetail to match the dovetail of your sight and install it.

The new front sight and ramp will now be centered and of the correct height so that the rifle will zero perfectly with your ammo at 100 yards when the rear has 100% of it’s elevation available to you for use, and it’s centered in it’s adjustment range left and right so you also have 100% of that adjustability available for your use too.

Blue the barrel and you have a classy and strong sight system that will last forever.
 
The other part of this uncocking that I don't like is that the firing pin is protruding from the bolt face. So the cartridge is being held by the extractor, the bolt is pulled out of battery and the gun uncocks and pushes the firing pin out into a cartridge held by the extractor.
This does not look safe
 
No, the firing pin will not, and should not, protrude during "decocking". When the bolt handle is lifted up, a cam will lift the cocking piece off the sear. The firing pin only protrudes in the fired state. Strip the bolt and study how it works, and you will know.

Cock-on-close is minority but not a rarity. Other examples include Enfield SMLE, 1914/1917, Arisaka, just to name a few. Some people like it so much they convert mosin nagant from cock-on-open into cock-on-close. Of course some people dislike it so much that they convert a 1917 into cock-on-open.

-TL
 
Thanks for the replies.
Trouble is that the firing pin is protruding after decocking!
Something must be broken? I stripped the bolt and can't see anything that looks missing or broken but this isn't like a 98 that im used to.

If the safety lever is straight up the bolt does not decock.

The safety lever will not go all the way over to the right side..

Hope these descriptions help you guys to help me!
Thanks again
 
OK close the bolt in the receiver without a round. The safety should be off, flag to the left. Without pull the trigger, lift up the bolt handle and open the bolt. Does it the firing pin protrude? It should not. If it does, it is not kosher.

I don't know how to post a picture. If you like, you can pm me your email address. I will send you pictures of my 1917 bolt to explain the details.

-TL
 
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I don't need a peep sight. I do just fine with the original iron sights as long as the deer or hog is within about 75 yds. The little Mauser is very accurate but my eyes just ain't what the yous to be. If I don't feel it will be a clean kill I won't take the shot.
 
I just took my Argentina Mauser out of the safe. I have fired hundred and hundreds of all kinds of ammo out of this little rifle and never had a problem.
When I open the bolt and close it and re open it with out firing the pin does show in the hole. However it is not fully extended, it is just kind of peeking through. if it is protruding all the way out you have a problem. If you can just see it peeking through you are okay. :cool:
 
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