1858 Reproduction pistol brand names
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SigP6Carry
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My understanding is that they're all made by either Pietta or Uberti, then imported under different brand names for sale over here.
Euroarms is formerly Armi San Paolo. Traditions and Navy are probably Pietta but could be Uberti. ASM is Armi San Marco. Lyman is either Uberti or Armi San Paolo. The ones to stay away from unless they're really cheap are ASM and older Pietta's(before 2000). Given a choice I'd take an older Pietta over ASM.
Fingers McGee
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This: https://store.bluebookinc.com/Info/PDF/POWDER/MBPProofmarks.pdf should give you the info you need to tell them apart.
Manufacturers are:
Uberti
Pietta
Euroarms (or Armi San Paolo)
Armi San Marco
Palmetto Armory
Importers are:
Navy Arms (Uberti, Pietta, Euroarms)
Cimarron (Uberti, ASM)
EMF (Pietta, ASM, Euroarms)
Lyman (Uberti ???)
Traditions (Pietta)
Western Arms (Uberti, ASM)
Replica Arms (Uberti, ASM)
Dixie Gun Works (Uberti, Pietta, ASM, Euroarms, Palmetto)
and a bunch of others
FM
Manufacturers are:
Uberti
Pietta
Euroarms (or Armi San Paolo)
Armi San Marco
Palmetto Armory
Importers are:
Navy Arms (Uberti, Pietta, Euroarms)
Cimarron (Uberti, ASM)
EMF (Pietta, ASM, Euroarms)
Lyman (Uberti ???)
Traditions (Pietta)
Western Arms (Uberti, ASM)
Replica Arms (Uberti, ASM)
Dixie Gun Works (Uberti, Pietta, ASM, Euroarms, Palmetto)
and a bunch of others
FM
Hawg,
I know this is a very personal thing, but I have two ASMs from the late seventies, early eighties and their quaility easily matches Pietta. I got them cheap. (One at a gun show, the other on Gunbroker.)
The only quarrel I have is that on the steel frame, the triggerguard fit is not quite right. But I see that on some Piettas I have examined. On the brasser, all of the external parts appear as though they were finished with the pistol assembled.
My experience is not as extensive as yours.
I know this is a very personal thing, but I have two ASMs from the late seventies, early eighties and their quaility easily matches Pietta. I got them cheap. (One at a gun show, the other on Gunbroker.)
The only quarrel I have is that on the steel frame, the triggerguard fit is not quite right. But I see that on some Piettas I have examined. On the brasser, all of the external parts appear as though they were finished with the pistol assembled.
My experience is not as extensive as yours.
madcratebuilder
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IMHO ASM's are well under rated. The ones I own and the ones I have worked on are as nice or nicer than any thing I have handled from Uberti or Pietta. Maybe I've only seen the better ones.
Back to the OP's question. Most of the 1858's you see are going to be Pietta or Uberti, a few ASM's in the "Buffalo" model.
Navy Arms sold both Uberti and Pietta models under their name.
The Spanish made E N Santa Barbara's are possibly the best import 1858. Made from ordnance grade steel.
You can buy a new Pietta 1858 from Cabela's for under $200 and that comes with excellent customer service.
Pietta makes a high end "shooters" model and Pedersoli makes a high end model of the 58.
Back to the OP's question. Most of the 1858's you see are going to be Pietta or Uberti, a few ASM's in the "Buffalo" model.
Navy Arms sold both Uberti and Pietta models under their name.
The Spanish made E N Santa Barbara's are possibly the best import 1858. Made from ordnance grade steel.
You can buy a new Pietta 1858 from Cabela's for under $200 and that comes with excellent customer service.
Pietta makes a high end "shooters" model and Pedersoli makes a high end model of the 58.
sundance44s
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I`ve always been a big fan of the ASM Remingtons ...they do not have the writeing stamped all over them ( its well hidden under the loading lever ).
I just bought a 1851 Navy made by ASM ...its a nice one too ..barrel markings under the loading lever also .
I have noticed soft internals on the Remingtons ..but have no problem replaceing them with Pietta parts .
I just bought a 1851 Navy made by ASM ...its a nice one too ..barrel markings under the loading lever also .
I have noticed soft internals on the Remingtons ..but have no problem replaceing them with Pietta parts .
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longranger
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Lyman= Investarms+Italian = worst of the litter. avoid
bedbugbilly
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Chances are
I've got to back up what Doc and madcratebuilder say about the ASM. I have an ASM '61 Colt Navy and an ASM '62 Colt Pocket Police (in brass) that are two of the best quality revolvers I've ever seen in 45 years of shooting muzzle loaders. Let's face it - all of the companies have made their share of lemons over the years. Last summer I was waffling between a Pietta '58 Remington Navy and a Uberti '49 Colt Pocket. I had a chance to handle each of them, test cock 'em, etc. In the ones that I looked at, I took the Pietta because the quality was top notch, it had great fit and finish and the action was smooth and acted like it had been "tuned" - all right out of the box from the manufacturer. The Uberti '49 Colt Pocket on the other hand, was a piece of junk. Poor fit and finish and it acted like every internal part had burrs on them when it was cocked, the timing was off - plus the loading lever fit so bad that if you held it up to shoot and there was a slight breeze, I'm sure that it would have wagged back and forth under the barrel. Bottom line . . . . I'm not bad mouthing any of the brands or debating brand preferences that others have. I've seen junk that was produced by everyone of the manufacturers listed and I've also seen some really nice specimens. Chances are . . . if the supplier had had ten Pietta Remy Navies and ten Uberti '49 Colts and they were all put side by side on the counter and you had a chance to really examine them, you could find something wrong with some of each of the two brands (for the pistols you were examining). It all boils down to where it was made, who was in charge of quality control, what day of the week it was produced, etc. . . . . the same as our automobiles. Its hard to buy a pistol off of an auction site . . . let's face it . . . you're buying a "pig in a poke". Like Doc . . . I've purchased a pistol off of an auction site . . . . I bought an old Navy Arms replica of a Griswold & Gunnison with a short barrel off of AuctionArms one time. i took a chance and I lucked out as it had never been fired and while maybe the finish wasn't the best and I would have preferred the barrel stampings be under the barrel . . . I overlooked those things as it was well built, tolerances were tight and it's a nice shooting little .36 cal. brass frame. Mechanically it was great. To be realistic about it, if a person is going to purchase a BP revolver, the best way is to have a chance to look at it and handle it before buying to see if it is mechanically sound and is going to be what you want for the purposes you want it for. If you are limited to buying a gun off of an auction site, check out the seller's feedback and make sure that they have a return policy so if when you receive it and it has been misrepresented, you have the recourse of returning it for a refund. If you have questions, ask the seller before you bid . . . if the seller is elusive in their answers . . walk away from it. There are too many used ones sitting around collecting dust or revolvers that were purchased in past years and put away and never used, to get overly anxious and spend you money on something that you won't be happy with. And remember, if you buy it new, it should come with a warranty so if you have a problem, you can return it or exchange it. I bought my '62 ASM Colt Pocket a short time ago . . . . I still had a hankerin for a Pocket Model of some type and since I shoot .36, I thought the '62 Pocket would be a natural to have. I posted a "want to buy" on another site and within 24 housrs I had a response and purchased it - with a guarantee that I could return it if it wasn't what it was represented as. It was made in the 1980s, was unfired and superior in quality. I bought it at a fair price - I was happy - the seller was happy - it was good for everybody involved. As far as working on the various manufacturer's pistols . . . there are fellows on this site who have extensive experience in that and they can provide a vast amount of info on what brands pose a problem as far as still getting parts, etc. f you are considering buying a used one, put in a search on this site and see what threads have been posted on a particular brand. Oftentimes, there will be posts on problems and maybe you can get an idea of what brands or years of manufacturer to be wary about. Just my 2 cents worth . . . . which isn't worth a plug nickle! Good luck!
I've got to back up what Doc and madcratebuilder say about the ASM. I have an ASM '61 Colt Navy and an ASM '62 Colt Pocket Police (in brass) that are two of the best quality revolvers I've ever seen in 45 years of shooting muzzle loaders. Let's face it - all of the companies have made their share of lemons over the years. Last summer I was waffling between a Pietta '58 Remington Navy and a Uberti '49 Colt Pocket. I had a chance to handle each of them, test cock 'em, etc. In the ones that I looked at, I took the Pietta because the quality was top notch, it had great fit and finish and the action was smooth and acted like it had been "tuned" - all right out of the box from the manufacturer. The Uberti '49 Colt Pocket on the other hand, was a piece of junk. Poor fit and finish and it acted like every internal part had burrs on them when it was cocked, the timing was off - plus the loading lever fit so bad that if you held it up to shoot and there was a slight breeze, I'm sure that it would have wagged back and forth under the barrel. Bottom line . . . . I'm not bad mouthing any of the brands or debating brand preferences that others have. I've seen junk that was produced by everyone of the manufacturers listed and I've also seen some really nice specimens. Chances are . . . if the supplier had had ten Pietta Remy Navies and ten Uberti '49 Colts and they were all put side by side on the counter and you had a chance to really examine them, you could find something wrong with some of each of the two brands (for the pistols you were examining). It all boils down to where it was made, who was in charge of quality control, what day of the week it was produced, etc. . . . . the same as our automobiles. Its hard to buy a pistol off of an auction site . . . let's face it . . . you're buying a "pig in a poke". Like Doc . . . I've purchased a pistol off of an auction site . . . . I bought an old Navy Arms replica of a Griswold & Gunnison with a short barrel off of AuctionArms one time. i took a chance and I lucked out as it had never been fired and while maybe the finish wasn't the best and I would have preferred the barrel stampings be under the barrel . . . I overlooked those things as it was well built, tolerances were tight and it's a nice shooting little .36 cal. brass frame. Mechanically it was great. To be realistic about it, if a person is going to purchase a BP revolver, the best way is to have a chance to look at it and handle it before buying to see if it is mechanically sound and is going to be what you want for the purposes you want it for. If you are limited to buying a gun off of an auction site, check out the seller's feedback and make sure that they have a return policy so if when you receive it and it has been misrepresented, you have the recourse of returning it for a refund. If you have questions, ask the seller before you bid . . . if the seller is elusive in their answers . . walk away from it. There are too many used ones sitting around collecting dust or revolvers that were purchased in past years and put away and never used, to get overly anxious and spend you money on something that you won't be happy with. And remember, if you buy it new, it should come with a warranty so if you have a problem, you can return it or exchange it. I bought my '62 ASM Colt Pocket a short time ago . . . . I still had a hankerin for a Pocket Model of some type and since I shoot .36, I thought the '62 Pocket would be a natural to have. I posted a "want to buy" on another site and within 24 housrs I had a response and purchased it - with a guarantee that I could return it if it wasn't what it was represented as. It was made in the 1980s, was unfired and superior in quality. I bought it at a fair price - I was happy - the seller was happy - it was good for everybody involved. As far as working on the various manufacturer's pistols . . . there are fellows on this site who have extensive experience in that and they can provide a vast amount of info on what brands pose a problem as far as still getting parts, etc. f you are considering buying a used one, put in a search on this site and see what threads have been posted on a particular brand. Oftentimes, there will be posts on problems and maybe you can get an idea of what brands or years of manufacturer to be wary about. Just my 2 cents worth . . . . which isn't worth a plug nickle! Good luck!
sundance44s
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DeerCreek products still have the parts for ASM revolvers ...But I found it just as easy to fit Pietta parts in mine .
NO such thing as drop in fix parts anyway .
So I stock alot of the Pietta parts and fit them to every make out there with out much problem .
Pietta parts are made of much harder steel or hardened better than they were in their early years , they had some soft internals back in the day also .
and most of the ASM`s I`ve bought were older new stock ...so it never supprised me the internals were a little soft .
NO such thing as drop in fix parts anyway .
So I stock alot of the Pietta parts and fit them to every make out there with out much problem .
Pietta parts are made of much harder steel or hardened better than they were in their early years , they had some soft internals back in the day also .
and most of the ASM`s I`ve bought were older new stock ...so it never supprised me the internals were a little soft .
Thanks but I very recently acquired two 1858s and an 1851 in the span of one week. No more cap and ball guns for me until after I get my coach gun, and my lever action rife. I wasn't interested in buying the Rigarmi. I was just interested in knowing about the brand. When I do get around to buying another cap and ball pistol, it will either be an 1860, an 1858 buffalo or the 12" barreled Colt that Dixie gun works has listed.
As a side note. The Rigarmi i mentioned is for sale at Cas City. I bought my Euroarms 1858 from the same guy and it is a really nice pistol.