10mm ParaOrd or 40 Super ParaOrd?
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WalterGAII
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TVD, a regular poster here and on Glocktalk, had Bar-Sto attempt to make a .40 Super barrel for his Para. Herr Stone was not able to get the .40 Super to feed in the Bar-Sto barrel. I suspect the problem is due to the ramped barrel that was being used. I shoot .40 Super through my G21, using a threaded, compensated Accu-Match barrel, with no problems. (Except the caveat ..45-platform bottlenecks won't feed from double-stack mags. Had to use 10-rd., Klintonista mags.)
Unless you reload, I'd suggest that you not invest a lot in a .40 Super right now. Not much going on over at Triton.
Unless you reload, I'd suggest that you not invest a lot in a .40 Super right now. Not much going on over at Triton.
Robert the41MagFan
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Walter has it right. Everyone is having problems feeding 40 Super from a double stack magazines. Better off purchasing a traditional single stack 1911 and converting to 40 Super. Or, even better yet, just get the finished product from STI. A grand is not a bad price for a specialty firearm.
Robert
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CastleBravo
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.40 Super is "better" from the point of view of ballistic numbers, but 10mm is actually made by the major ammo makers like CCI/Speer, Federal, Remington, Winchester, Cor-Bon, Georgia Arms, Pro Load & Triton. And .40 Super might be a bit much for self-defense against humans. Of course if you roll your own this is less of an issue.
Several people have had their P16-40 converted to 10mm, you should just need a barrel swap (Bar-Sto makes 'em) and a stronger recoil spring. I'd just be sure to have a really good gunsmith do it, because Para-Ordinance pistols sometimes have kinda flaky reliability to start with and the Bar-Sto barrel has to be fitted anyway.
If you don't *have* to have a double-stack you could just get a Delta Elite... if you shop around you can get a basic blue one NIB or barely used for under $600. You might want to also consider an STI Eagle for a high-cap factory 10mm.
Several people have had their P16-40 converted to 10mm, you should just need a barrel swap (Bar-Sto makes 'em) and a stronger recoil spring. I'd just be sure to have a really good gunsmith do it, because Para-Ordinance pistols sometimes have kinda flaky reliability to start with and the Bar-Sto barrel has to be fitted anyway.
If you don't *have* to have a double-stack you could just get a Delta Elite... if you shop around you can get a basic blue one NIB or barely used for under $600. You might want to also consider an STI Eagle for a high-cap factory 10mm.
Well this is a little of the subject but I have made a step in the right direction. I purchased two 15rd NDF for a Glock 20 for $80 a piece new yesterday and when I get the money I am ordering a Glock 20C.
I would still like to try a 1911 platform in 10mm but I prefer double stacks because they handle so much better to me. What I can gather most people prefer single stacks but my big hands like the big guns. If the Para/BarSto combination is that simple I may give it a try.
Thanks.
I would still like to try a 1911 platform in 10mm but I prefer double stacks because they handle so much better to me. What I can gather most people prefer single stacks but my big hands like the big guns. If the Para/BarSto combination is that simple I may give it a try.
Thanks.
Man you go away on a mini vacation and someone actually reads a post of mine and has a question. . . Yow! 
Sorry for the late reply. . .
My P16 has an Ed Brown 10mm barrel (shorter wait then BarSto and something you should be able to fit if any fitting is required--mine did need fitting and I didn't want to take the lugs off so Ed Brown did the fitting for $75 bux and in 3 business days) and it has been fine. Accuracy is great and there has been no malfs whatsoever. I'm using a 24lb Wolff recoil spring (the 26lb recoil spring was beating certain ammo to death with the trips up the feed ramp--that ammo is the Georgia Arms ammo) and I have put +10% mag springs in the tubes to ensure feeding.
IMNSHO, I'd skip that 40 Super. Looking at the #s, there's really only an advantage in the 40S using the lightweight rounds (135gr). When looking at the 200gr loading, there's hardly a difference between the 40S and the 10mm in the velocity category, but you will be using more powder to get an extra 50fps and losing at least one round from magazine capacity.
Unless you are cooking your own brewed magic, then you'll by paying through nose for the Triton Ammo while there's 10mm akimbo!
Now if you have a P14 rather then a P16 and you extra umph, I'd say that the 40 S or the 400 CB would the logical way to go.
Although I wonder, if a 10mm barrel cut to fit into the P14 breechface would function correctly? You see these 10mm/.40S&W pistols being rechambered down to 9mm/9x23.
I recall that there was a single stacked 1911 with both a .45acp and a 10mm top end reviewed in Combat Handguns a bit ago and there happened to be only a few failure to go fully into battery malfs.
Derek
Sorry for the late reply. . .
My P16 has an Ed Brown 10mm barrel (shorter wait then BarSto and something you should be able to fit if any fitting is required--mine did need fitting and I didn't want to take the lugs off so Ed Brown did the fitting for $75 bux and in 3 business days) and it has been fine. Accuracy is great and there has been no malfs whatsoever. I'm using a 24lb Wolff recoil spring (the 26lb recoil spring was beating certain ammo to death with the trips up the feed ramp--that ammo is the Georgia Arms ammo) and I have put +10% mag springs in the tubes to ensure feeding.
IMNSHO, I'd skip that 40 Super. Looking at the #s, there's really only an advantage in the 40S using the lightweight rounds (135gr). When looking at the 200gr loading, there's hardly a difference between the 40S and the 10mm in the velocity category, but you will be using more powder to get an extra 50fps and losing at least one round from magazine capacity.
Unless you are cooking your own brewed magic, then you'll by paying through nose for the Triton Ammo while there's 10mm akimbo!
Now if you have a P14 rather then a P16 and you extra umph, I'd say that the 40 S or the 400 CB would the logical way to go.
Although I wonder, if a 10mm barrel cut to fit into the P14 breechface would function correctly? You see these 10mm/.40S&W pistols being rechambered down to 9mm/9x23.
I recall that there was a single stacked 1911 with both a .45acp and a 10mm top end reviewed in Combat Handguns a bit ago and there happened to be only a few failure to go fully into battery malfs.
Derek
Thanks for the info viesczy,
Right now I am going to focus on the Glock 20C I want but the info on the ParaOrd is interesting. #1, the source of my Glock 20 mags also, if I remember correctly, had Para 16 mags too. If only STI would lower the cost of their guns to were I could afford one more than once every five years I would be set. I noticed the other day they make one in 450SMC/45 Super now that has everything I love - 6" barrel, extended dustcover, double stack and porting.
Right now I am going to focus on the Glock 20C I want but the info on the ParaOrd is interesting. #1, the source of my Glock 20 mags also, if I remember correctly, had Para 16 mags too. If only STI would lower the cost of their guns to were I could afford one more than once every five years I would be set. I noticed the other day they make one in 450SMC/45 Super now that has everything I love - 6" barrel, extended dustcover, double stack and porting.
Glock 20c !!
Kobra, I have a Glock 20c and I love it!! It has become my favorite gun.
The only thing about the 20&21 Glocks, that is a problem for some, is the grip size. I like the large grip but I have normal to large hands.
The C-models shoot great. Mine has less recoil than a .40SW and is faster for follow up shots. I plan on getting a 6" barrel and hunting with it. I may decide to get the barrel magna ported just to keep it tame...
I hope you give it a try. I love mine and recommend it to anyone with some experience and larger hands.
How can you beat a 20c with 15rds of 10mm, that shoots easier than the .40 the FBI had made to replace it? I can't believe they downloaded this round what a waste.
I like the idea of the .40Super but it seems like a lot to go through for a improvement that I don't need. The 10mm will do what I need. Even hunting deer or black bear. So it seems like it sin't worth the trouble.
Besides if I need more power I could use my Desert Eagle in .44mag.
Kobra, I have a Glock 20c and I love it!! It has become my favorite gun.
The only thing about the 20&21 Glocks, that is a problem for some, is the grip size. I like the large grip but I have normal to large hands.
The C-models shoot great. Mine has less recoil than a .40SW and is faster for follow up shots. I plan on getting a 6" barrel and hunting with it. I may decide to get the barrel magna ported just to keep it tame...
I hope you give it a try. I love mine and recommend it to anyone with some experience and larger hands.
How can you beat a 20c with 15rds of 10mm, that shoots easier than the .40 the FBI had made to replace it? I can't believe they downloaded this round what a waste.
I like the idea of the .40Super but it seems like a lot to go through for a improvement that I don't need. The 10mm will do what I need. Even hunting deer or black bear. So it seems like it sin't worth the trouble.
Besides if I need more power I could use my Desert Eagle in .44mag.
Kobra, the G20 is a great pistol, lord knows I LOVE mine! But I simply had to have the high cap Para P16 to convert to 10mm, hey it is one more round and it is duo-tone!
Those STI/SV pistols are sweet guns, a bit on the PRICEY side though! I dunno if their pistols are sweet enough for me to justify living on boiled noodles for the next two years!
Good luck with the G20C.
Derek
(edit for not putting the "e" in duo-tone. oops)
Those STI/SV pistols are sweet guns, a bit on the PRICEY side though! I dunno if their pistols are sweet enough for me to justify living on boiled noodles for the next two years!
Good luck with the G20C.
Derek
(edit for not putting the "e" in duo-tone. oops)